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    Quote Originally Posted by GloriaInTX View Post
    So for a giraffe to have evolved from some gazelle, 2 huge changes would have had to happen simutaneously for it to even survive. As the neck grew longer to reach food, (which wasn't really necessary at all because they can eat at lower levels) it had to evolve a complex blood pressure valve in the neck to go along with it. Plus they have no fossil record of anything like that happening. NONE





    The Giraffe's long neck
    If you are saying there is no fossil record of the process of giraffe's developing longer necks, you are incorrect. Here is a link to one article that talks about the fossil record, biochemistry, et cetera. ,You can also Google "Bohlinia" if you would like to see many, many more. (Bohlinia is one of the transitional species ancestral to modern giraffes.
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    If there was concrete undisputed proof of evolution, we would not be having this debate. I respect that you believe in evolution. I just ask that you respect that not everyone believes that. The only choises should not be that either I send my child to a school that teaches that evolution is the only way and anyone who believes otherwise is a fool, causing the child to choose between there parents or the school. Or to pay thousands of dollars a year in private schools. We hear so much about tolerance, but there is zero tolerance in many public schools for Christian beliefs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alissa_Sal View Post
    If you are saying there is no fossil record of the process of giraffe's developing longer necks, you are incorrect. Here is a link to one article that talks about the fossil record, biochemistry, et cetera. ,You can also Google "Bohlinia" if you would like to see many, many more. (Bohlinia is one of the transitional species ancestral to modern giraffes.
    So the skeleton of some kind of animal the size of a rabbit...

    The only complete skeleton of an animal from this group is that of a
    rabbit-sized forest dwelling animal called Diacodexus
    And the skull of some other animal that is shaped like a giraffe....
    Skull of Samotherium. Note the Giraffid-like
    ossicones, the elongated muzzle, the large diastema, and bi-lobed
    lower canine.
    Is proof of the evolution of a giraffe? There is not a shred of proof in that whole article. It is just a bunch of hypothesis and guesses.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AlyssaEimers View Post
    If there was concrete undisputed proof of evolution, we would not be having this debate. I respect that you believe in evolution. I just ask that you respect that not everyone believes that. The only choises should not be that either I send my child to a school that teaches that evolution is the only way and anyone who believes otherwise is a fool, causing the child to choose between there parents or the school. Or to pay thousands of dollars a year in private schools. We hear so much about tolerance, but there is zero tolerance in many public schools for Christian beliefs.
    There is concrete proof of evolution. It's not undisputed because it contradicts many creation myths, so religions dispute it, but it's not much disputed in the scientific community. We teach science in our science classes. If science contradicts your beliefs, that is not others being intolerant, we're just telling you what science says. Whether or not you choose to believe it or choose to reconcile it with your beliefs is up to you, but it's not intolerant to teach actual science (and not teach junk science that the scientific community roundly rejects) in science class.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AlyssaEimers View Post
    You think... That is just it. You don't know.
    Okay you are misinterpreting my use of the word think in this scenario. I said that meaning "I believe the scientific community has defined the links between humans and apes in a more scientific way than just "similar traits". I don't think your comparison to a painting is is accurate because 'looking' at the similarities between objects in a painting painted by the same person is not a scientific process, as oppose to finding the similarities between humans and apes, or birds and dinosaurs.

    I am not saying not to teach evolution, but to leave room for the possibility that it is theory not fact. Let the students know that this is just one possibility and that we really don't know what happened.
    This is true with lots of science, its ongoing discovery. Honestly how much time needs to be spent saying "its theory". I remember in school spending a large amount of time talking about the scientific process and theory. This is just a basic fact of how science works. And we teach high substantiated theories in school all the time, its not like evolution is the only one. And evolution is highly substantiated. If you have a personal issue with how substantiated it is, teach that to your kids.

    That other people have other beliefs.
    If its not a scientific belief than it doesn't belong in a science class. Science class doesn't need to be teaching kids about other people's religious beliefs.

    Teach it as what it is, a theory that some people believe and some people don't.
    Too many people in the scientific community believe it to make it sound this flimsy. Just reinforce to your kids you think that accepted science is bogus then. There is no *scientific* alternative theory to present as an alternative. Evolution is the science communities accepted explanation and it belongs in the academic setting as such. Even if you don't believe it yourself, why don't you want your kids to be aware of the fact that the science community as a whole (minus minority exceptions) believes evolution is valid.

    Give the children all the evidence and let them make their own decisions. Not indoctrinate them 7 hours a day over 13 years so that they would never consider believing anything else.
    Any child given the correct tools, in a science class, will conclude that evolution is by far the best *scientific* explanation, because it is. Plain and simple. If you don't want your kids to believe a scientific explanation is the answer, then you need to teach them about that, not their science teachers.
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    Did you not read the article? There is a whole fossil record as well as biochemistry as well as genetic information that you must have skipped over. If you ask me for evidence and then refuse to concede that anything could possibly be evidence, I can't help you.

    Edit: That goes double for the entire list of links I sent you which you responded to with one link that says a couple of people think that the appendix may not be vestigial. LOL Please read the links, or at least concede that you don't care whether or not there is evidence.
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    Don't see any proof there, just an article about how there are some similar body parts between humans and apes. Funny that he cites Haeckel's drawings as proof that were proved a fraud 100 years ago.

    3. COMPARATIVE EMBRYOLOGY (Ernst Haeckel)
    - great similarity of primates and humans early in ontogeny
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alissa_Sal View Post
    Did you not read the article? There is a whole fossil record as well as biochemistry as well as genetic information that you must have skipped over. If you ask me for evidence and then refuse to concede that anything could possibly be evidence, I can't help you.

    Edit: That goes double for the entire list of links I sent you which you responded to with one link that says a couple of people think that the appendix may not be vestigial. LOL Please read the links, or at least concede that you don't care whether or not there is evidence.
    So you really think I have time to go through that whole list in 10 minutes? I am actually at work so I can't read at depth each article. I can skim through though and see if there is any real proof in there, which there wasn't.
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