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    Quote Originally Posted by AlyssaEimers View Post
    Let's add in some other things that you are opening the door to when Obama is no longer the POTUS and someone else is. Doing away with term limits? Forced military service? Anything at all. I can as Rivergallery mentioned see in emergencies using something like this, but as an everyday way to go around the balance of power and congress? Horrible decision.

    Bonita, you know that Republicans have used this aplenty? Right? This isn't, like, unique to Obama! YOu are talking like he would be the first ever to use it and everything could go to he!1 based upon this happening. Its silly doomsday fearmongering totally not based in any sort of reality or historical precedent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlyssaEimers View Post
    I don't know too many people that think President Bush was a wonderful President. I do not think the fact that he did it makes something a good idea.

    Okay, here are Ronald Reagan's for you instead.

    Reagan Executive Orders Disposition Tables

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    Quote Originally Posted by Potter75 View Post
    Bonita, you know that Republicans have used this aplenty? Right? This isn't, like, unique to Obama! YOu are talking like he would be the first ever to use it and everything could go to he!1 based upon this happening. Its silly doomsday fearmongering totally not based in any sort of reality or historical precedent.
    Using EO to ban guns is huge in my opinion. Look even just on this board and how split we are on this issue.


    ETA - It does not matter how many times something has happened in the past. It can still be a very bad idea. In the past, it was illegal for woman to vote and own property. Does that make it a good idea?
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    Quote Originally Posted by AlyssaEimers View Post
    Using EO to ban guns is huge in my opinion. Look even just on this board and how split we are on this issue.

    He isn't going to ban all guns.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlyssaEimers View Post
    I don't know too many people that think President Bush was a wonderful President. I do not think the fact that he did it makes something a good idea.
    I'm not saying that the fact that George W Bush did it makes it a totally great idea. I'm just responding to your question of "How would you feel if a Republican president did it?" and I'm saying, they do it too, and we lived.

    Here is a list of all of the Executive Orders by President going back to Hoover.
    Executive Orders Disposition Tables Index

    In order to get the number, subtract the first number (in Obama's case, 13489) from the second number (13632). Since they go in order, this will tell you how many Executive Order each president has signed (and tell you that 13,632 have been signed so far!)

    Obama - 143
    George W Bush - 290
    Clinton - 363
    George HW Bush - 165
    Ronald Reagan - 380

    and so on. Obviously, not all of those were emergencies, and some were controversial. I guess all I'm really saying is, it happens, and it happens with every President. It's not unique to Obama.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Potter75 View Post
    He isn't going to ban all guns.
    I wasn't saying that he was. Banning some guns, is still banning guns. (I am not saying that shouldn't happen. There are some guns that I do not feel need to be in the hands of civilians, I do not think it should be done by executive order though.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlyssaEimers View Post
    ETA - It does not matter how many times something has happened in the past. It can still be a very bad idea. In the past, it was illegal for woman to vote and own property. Does that make it a good idea?
    Well, blame the constitution then for allowing Executive Orders. To compare it to not allowing women to vote is not a valid argument.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Potter75 View Post
    I'm 100% fine with him using an Executive Order to get gun control legislation created. And I didn't vote for Obama in this last election or the one before it. I've never voted Democrat, in fact.

    Republicans have proven that they won't work with ANYthing, even when common sense mandates that they ought to, so he needs to go over their heads to get anything done. This isn't about Obama, this is about obstinate republicans who have dedicated themselves to gridlock and non action, even when it works against the best wishes of their constituents and the nation at large, IMO.

    I'm also hugely in favor of gun control, Obvs, so clearly that skews my opinion on the matter. If you hate the idea of your "rights" to weapons of mass destruction being limited in any way, of course you are going to be against this idea.
    ITA with this. I think Obama will try to get gun control done the right way, but will resort to an Executive Order if he has to, because it's the right thing to do for our country at this time. I'm not too worried about future conservative Presidents abusing this power in the future. Executive Orders can be overturned by the Supreme Court. They also can't make an entirely new law -- only clarify or further an existing law -- so there's no risk of banning abortion or gay marriage because those would be making a new law. That's also going to limit what Obama will be able to do with an Executive Order on gun control.

    And Rivergallery, the Constitution is exactly where I see that the President is given this authority. Article II, Section 3, says, "[the President] shall take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Potter75 View Post
    To compare it to not allowing women to vote is not a valid argument.
    I do not understand your reasoning? Why is it not a valid argument to use woman not voting to say that just because something happened in the past does not mean it is right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spacers View Post
    I'm not too worried about future conservative Presidents abusing this power in the future. Executive Orders can be overturned by the Supreme Court. They also can't make an entirely new law -- only clarify or further an existing law -- so there's no risk of banning abortion or gay marriage because those would be making a new law. That's also going to limit what Obama will be able to do with an Executive Order on gun control.
    This is what I am looking for. I admit to not knowing all of the details. So Obama could not make a law banning assault weapons?

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