Thread: Executive Order

Originally Posted by Potter75

Its the people who are going to AA who should be able to buy cars, not the ones going to bars every weekend, I would think. Either way, these are not compelling arguments to me, these are silly. As is the idea that a kid like Adam Lanza is just going to trot down to to the local drug dealer and buy himself a semi automatic rifle. The kid was socially inept and a total frightened weirdo and lived in a rich, well off town where the local drug lords didn't exactly hang out on every corner with a sign up for little white boys to come buy guns. Do you really think that "buying high powered rifles" from ones local drug dealer is so easy to do? I don't.

Just so you know an AR-15 is not a high powered rifle. It fact it has less power than most rifles that is why it is not allowed for hunting in some places because it is less likely to bring a large animal down.

Originally Posted by GloriaInTX

Just so you know an AR-15 is not a high powered rifle. It fact it has less power than most rifles that is why it is not allowed for hunting in some places because it is less likely to bring a large animal down.

Oh, well in that case, it is perfect for mowing down small children. Didn't even leave any wounded. Just murdered.

And you neatly avoided my point about some crazy social outcast having no means of getting a gun from the "local drug lord". You throw that out there like we all have a handy local drug lord in our back pocket to buy guns from in case we are a little crazy on the side. It is not a strong argument.

Originally Posted by Potter75

Oh, well in that case, it is perfect for mowing down small children. Didn't even leave any wounded. Just murdered.

And you neatly avoided my point about some crazy social outcast having no means of getting a gun from the "local drug lord". You throw that out there like we all have a handy local drug lord in our back pocket to buy guns from in case we are a little crazy on the side. It is not a strong argument.

That was just a joke. They don't really have to go to a drug lord. Online classifieds will do.
Gun Classifieds, Buy and sell your firearms for FREE - gunlistings.org

Drug Lords are high tech these days.

Originally Posted by Potter75

And you neatly avoided my point about some crazy social outcast having no means of getting a gun from the "local drug lord". You throw that out there like we all have a handy local drug lord in our back pocket to buy guns from in case we are a little crazy on the side. It is not a strong argument.

If someone really wants a gun, they can get one. I Googled how to buy a gun in _____________, and many options came up. Albit, it is a lot easier to buy a gun here than it is in other cities.

ETA - Even in NY where it is one of the most difficult areas to buy a gun you can. ARMSLIST - Buffalo Gun Classifieds

Originally Posted by GloriaInTX

That was just a joke. They don't really have to go to a drug lord. Online classifieds will do.
Gun Classifieds, Buy and sell your firearms for FREE - gunlistings.org

Drug Lords are high tech these days.

Excellent, if those listings are that easy to find they will be that easy to shut down once they are outlawed

Originally Posted by Potter75

Excellent, if those listings are that easy to find they will be that easy to shut down once they are outlawed

Riggghhht. And 3 million AR-15 owners are just going to march down and turn theirs in.

Originally Posted by GloriaInTX

Riggghhht. And 3 million AR-15 owners are just going to march down and turn theirs in.

Hey, if they become illegal and people don't want to do the right thing I will happily call them criminals. Thats up to them, of course.

I don't really understand what you want, Gloria. My impression was that you and the NRA think that "crazy people" are to blame for the shootings in this country, not guns. Now the President is trying to make it harder for "crazy people" to buy guns, and that's a bad thing, and we're back to the "criminals break laws" argument. Okay, so by that logic, why have any laws, since criminals will just break them anyway. Like, other than personally handing each American citizen a semi-automatic handgun and Rambo style bullet belt, is there anything at all that Obama could do that would think is a good move for dealing with gun violence in this country?

Originally Posted by Alissa_Sal

I don't really understand what you want, Gloria. My impression was that you and the NRA think that "crazy people" are to blame for the shootings in this country, not guns. Now the President is trying to make it harder for "crazy people" to buy guns, and that's a bad thing, and we're back to the "criminals break laws" argument. Okay, so by that logic, why have any laws, since criminals will just break them anyway. Like, other than personally handing each American citizen a semi-automatic handgun and Rambo style bullet belt, is there anything at all that Obama could do that would think is a good move for dealing with gun violence in this country?

Guns don't kill people. People kill people. Locking up all the guns in the world are not going to stop some crazy lunatic from killing people if thats what they want to do. It's not going to stop criminals from using guns to kill people either. Unless you can somehow get into a crazy person's brain and predict what they are going to do, you are not going to be able to stop them. All you can do is protect yourself as much as you can.

Most of the gun violence isn't from crazy people or mass shootings. It happens in inner cities in gangs or over drugs with HANDGUNS. That is where 67% of gun violence happens. If you want to stop gun violence that is where we need to focus. Instead of spending money trying to take AR-15s from law abiding citizens who don't use them for crimes, spend that money on programs to help these kids that are growing up in single parent homes. I saw one statistic that said a youth has a 3.8% greater chance of dying by gun violence just if they are in a single parent home. Spending another million on background checks for law abiding citizens isn't going to help, because those aren't the people that are shooting each other.

Gloria - You want to spend money to benefit disadvantaged kids! That is so...progressive of you. I totally agree we need to do that. I think we need to do other things too, but money for disadvantaged kids is something that we can agree on.