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    So the biggest gay repression organization in the US is shutting down and apologizing to LGBT people for their mistake in treating them badly.

    Is this a watershed moment for human rights? Are there still people out there who think gay people can be cured? Does this ministry's apology even begin to address the horrible actions they have taken over 40 years?

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    I don't know that it's a watershed moment, but I think it's fantastic that people are strong enough to recognize when they are wrong and publicly acknowledge it.

    It does begin to address the actions, it really does.

    And yes, there are still people out there who think gay people can be "cured". So it's really key to have organizations like this see the error of their ways and talk about it openly. It will help a lot of people, I hope.
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    While I'm glad they are shutting down and are acknowledging their hateful actions I was not impressed with their apology. Saying only "some" of their people hurt gay people. In my mind, they all did. Not just some.
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    It's an affliction, let's remember. At the very least a behaviour. Of course it can be cured.

    "Change is possible," Chambers said in the 2010 report. "I stand by that phrase, and I live by it. The opposite of homosexuality isn't heterosexuality; it's holiness."
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    It is not a disease, so it can't be cured. You can however absolutely change your behavior. It has to be something you want to do for yourself though, no one can force it on you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GloriaInTX View Post
    It is not a disease, so it can't be cured. You can however absolutely change your behavior. It has to be something you want to do for yourself though, no one can force it on you.
    The same way a straight person can change their behavior by having sex with someone of the same gender....it's exactly the same, and exactly as unpleasant, and exactly as unnecessary.
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    Quote Originally Posted by freddieflounder101 View Post
    The same way a straight person can change their behavior by having sex with someone of the same gender....it's exactly the same, and exactly as unpleasant, and exactly as unnecessary.
    No it's the same way that a straight person can choose not to have sex with someone if it is morally wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GloriaInTX View Post
    No it's the same way that a straight person can choose not to have sex with someone if it is morally wrong.
    No, it's not.

    Obviously we are not going to agree on this one. But no, it's not even close to the same.
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    Quote Originally Posted by freddieflounder101 View Post
    No, it's not.

    Obviously we are not going to agree on this one. But no, it's not even close to the same.
    Obviously we aren't. Because I think it is exactly the same. Who you love is a choice. Who you have sex with is a choice no matter if you are gay or straight. If you don't think it is morally wrong to have sex with a person of the same gender of course you are going to make that choice. But it is still a choice no one is holding a gun to their head.
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    I don't think it is morally wrong to have sex with someone who is the same sex as you. However I am not attracted to women like that. So I seek out relationships and sex with opposite sex.

    I don't care if you want to have sex with 5 people, 2 people of same sex, not have sex. It's up to you. As long as everyone is of consenting age and is consenting I don't make laws around my moral compass or tell people they can't do things that they have decided upon as adults.
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