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    I actually suspect that Christian groups mostly keep opposing the legalization of gay marriage as a way to stay relevant to the conversation. Like, as long as its illegal, we have to keep having this conversation about what all Christians believe about homosexuality. What they believe still matters to the general public because we're still trying to win equal rights for people. The second gay marriage becomes legal, they will still be allowed to believe its a sin, but those of us who aren't Christian won't really care. Like how it's a non-issue that Christians disapprove of cohabitation before marriage. They're allowed to think that. But those of unhs who are not Christian and have lived together before marriage just don't really care that much. Heck, one Christian even once told me that *I'm* not married to my husband because marriage is a covenant between a man and a woman and god! But I dont care that she thinks that. She's welcome to her opinion because it doesn't impact my life. I would fight her a heck of a lot harder if my legal rights were on the line.
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    Quote Originally Posted by freddieflounder101 View Post

    Now you may say I'm being intolerant of your opinion
    Regardless of whether or not it is right, most of the posts on this thread (and the overall tone of the debate board) is very intolerant of Conservative Christians and their beliefs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AlyssaEimers View Post
    Regardless of whether or not it is right, most of the posts on this thread (and the overall tone of the debate board) is very intolerant of Conservative Christians and their beliefs.
    I am only intolerant of beliefs that I feel are both morally wrong and harmful to others.
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    Quote Originally Posted by freddieflounder101 View Post
    I am only intolerant of beliefs that I feel are both morally wrong and harmful to others.
    I am not disagreeing with that, but saying that there is intolerance of other people's beliefs.

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    The thing is I support your right to think whatever you want. I don't support you actively voting or stopping another citizen for getting the same rights you get because you disagree with how they live. I disagree with a lot of situations but recognize they have the right to do what they are doing.

    If you didn't like black people....fine you get to not like them. I don't agree and I will say you are a racist. But I will defend your right to not like them. I don't defend you trying to pass laws to prevent them from equal rights.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jessica80 View Post
    The thing is I support your right to think whatever you want. I don't support you actively voting or stopping another citizen for getting the same rights you get because you disagree with how they live. I disagree with a lot of situations but recognize they have the right to do what they are doing.

    If you didn't like black people....fine you get to not like them. I don't agree and I will say you are a racist. But I will defend your right to not like them. I don't defend you trying to pass laws to prevent them from equal rights.
    And I will criticize people who post that they don't think certain people should have rights, and I will not be tolerant of those beliefs.

    I also think that it's not okay to appropriate Christianity for the anti-gay movement. Lots of Christians have no issue with gay people, and lots of non-Christians are prejudiced against them. It's not a "Christian" thing.
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    Agreed. I will criticize those views but back up that you have every right to have an intolerant view.

    Of course I hate when they bring Christianity. Many Christians I know are perfectly fine with this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AlyssaEimers View Post
    I am not disagreeing with that, but saying that there is intolerance of other people's beliefs.

    I strongly disagree with that and object to your continually vaguely accusatory posts. If you see this intolerance point it out rather than being all victomy and vague and accusing people of things, Bonita. I'm tired of it and find it a completely unacceptable debate tactic on your part. I'm totally intolerant of bigotry or anyone trying to limit the rights of other Americans, whether it is a Jihadist Muslim or a conservative Christian or anyone else doing it. Don't confuse intolerance of hatred or bigotry with a problem with certain religions. My entire family is conservative christians and I adore them. Not all CC are bigoted and I resent you confusing the two issues.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlyssaEimers View Post
    I am not disagreeing with that, but saying that there is intolerance of other people's beliefs.
    I will reiterate what Melissa is saying. My issues (lack of tolerance) are not about Christianity or religion. But my morals dictate that I not be tolerant of bigotry, and the attempt or desire that usually goes along with it to limit the rights of people based solely on who they are. It has nothing to do what what religion someone has. Jewish, Christian, atheist, whatever....it doesn't matter. It is a large philosophical and moral issue for me as well as a personal one due to family & friends who suffer because of others with this views. The idea that gay people should just ignore their true nature and live their lives faking it is at best ridiculous and insulting and at worse offensive. Turn the tables and say it about straight people; that is EXACTLY what that view is asking people to do. (I know this isn't something you specifically have said, but it has come up in these debates a number of times.)

    The tide is turning in this country and history will prove so many people wrong, as it has in the past with women's rights, racial prejudice, and more. Of that I have no doubt.
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    Quote Originally Posted by freddieflounder101 View Post
    I will reiterate what Melissa is saying. My issues (lack of tolerance) are not about Christianity or religion. But my morals dictate that I not be tolerant of bigotry, and the attempt or desire that usually goes along with it to limit the rights of people based solely on who they are. It has nothing to do what what religion someone has. Jewish, Christian, atheist, whatever....it doesn't matter. It is a large philosophical and moral issue for me as well as a personal one due to family & friends who suffer because of others with this views. The idea that gay people should just ignore their true nature and live their lives faking it is at best ridiculous and insulting and at worse offensive. Turn the tables and say it about straight people; that is EXACTLY what that view is asking people to do. (I know this isn't something you specifically have said, but it has come up in these debates a number of times.)

    The tide is turning in this country and history will prove so many people wrong, as it has in the past with women's rights, racial prejudice, and more. Of that I have no doubt.
    We all ignore our true nature occasionally.
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