Faith-healing couple faces charges after 2nd child dies

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Faith-healing couple faces charges after 2nd child dies

PHILADELPHIA (AP) ? A couple serving probation for the 2009 death of their toddler after they turned to prayer instead of a doctor could face new charges now that another son has died.

Herbert and Catherine Schaible belong to a fundamentalist Christian church that believes in faith healing. They lost their 8-month-old son, Brandon, last week after he suffered from diarrhea and breathing problems for at least a week, and stopped eating. Four years ago, another son died from bacterial pneumonia.

Prosecutors said Tuesday that a decision on charges will be made after they get the results of an autopsy.

Catherine Schaible's attorney, Mythri Jayaraman, cautioned against a rush to judgment, and said the couple are good parents deeply distraught over the loss of another child.

"There are way more questions than answers at this point. We haven't seen the autopsy report. We don't know the cause of death of this child," Jayaraman told The Associated Press. "What we do know is Mr. and Mrs. Schaible are distraught, they are grieving, they are tremendously sad about the loss of their most recent baby."

A man who answered the phone at a listing for Herbert Schaible declined to comment and hung up.

A jury convicted the Schaibles of involuntary manslaughter in the January 2009 death of their 2-year-old son, Kent. The boy's symptoms had included coughing, congestion, crankiness and a loss of appetite. His parents said he was eating and drinking until the last day, and they had thought he was getting better.

The Schaibles were sentenced to 10 years' probation.

At a hearing Monday, a judge told the couple they had violated the terms of their probation, noting the Schaibles had told investigators that they prayed to God to make Brandon well instead of seeking medical attention.

"You did that once, and the consequences were tragic," Philadelphia Common Pleas Judge Benjamin Lerner said, according to the Philadelphia Daily News.

Prosecutors on Monday sought to have the couple jailed, but Lerner permitted them to remain free because their seven other children had been placed in foster care.

"He feels they are a danger to their children ? not to the community, but to their own children," Assistant District Attorney Joanne Pescatore, who prosecuted the couple in 2010, said Tuesday.

Herbert Schaible, 44, and his 43-year-old wife grew up in the First Century Gospel Church in northeast Philadelphia and have served as teachers there. The church's website has a sermon titled "Healing ? From God or Medicine?" that quotes Bible verses purportedly forbidding Christians from visiting doctors or taking medicine.

"It is a definite sin to trust in medical help and pills; and it is real faith to trust on the Name of Jesus for healing," says the message, from last May.

A phone message left with the church on Tuesday was not immediately returned.

The church's pastor said in 2010 that the couple had never received medical care themselves beyond the help of a lay midwife who attends home births.

The Schaibles did take their children for medical checkups as required by their probation, according to Jayaraman, the defense attorney. Jayaraman said that Brandon was checked by a doctor when he was 10 days old, but she did not know whether the child had seen a doctor since.

"Nobody argues that these aren't very loving, nurturing parents," she said Tuesday. "Whether their religion had anything to do with the death of their baby, we don't know."

2nd child of Pa. couple dies after only praying - SFGate

Your thoughts? I think they should face charges no matter what the autopsy says. The baby was sick, and they didn't seek medical care in violation of their probation. I don't care what their religion says, when you've already lost one baby because of your religion, and the only reason you're free to even have another is because you agreed to seek medical care if one of your kids gets sick, you take the baby to a freaking doctor. Go ahead & pray, too, if that's what you believe, but take the baby to a doctor when he's sick. Lock them up.

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They should be thrown in jail. They should also be denied a lawyer, and have to pray for justice. If it works for medicine, I'm sure it works for the legal system, right? A$shats.

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This upsets me so much. Yes, have faith, pray that the doctors will know how to help your child. I honestly believe that God gave us science and medicine to help us... this poor baby, what an awful death and so unnecessary.

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I just don't understand this kind of thinking. I thank God every day for the medical staff and researchers that used their God given talent to learn how to treat Jake's cancer and save his life. Jesus said that everyone should use the talents they were given to the best of their ability, and that includes Doctors who use their knowledge and skills to help others. God created all the plants and things we use for medicines for a reason. I am usually the one who would side with parents when it is their religious beliefs but I have a really hard time with something like this when something as simple as penicillin (which God created) could have probably saved their life.

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Agreed with everything said. These people are horrible. 2 poor babies gone. Sickening.

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That is terrible and tragic. I can't understand how someone could watch their baby be that sick and not get medical help. Prayer is a wonderful thing, but sometimes the answers to those prayers are the doctors! They shouldn't have the right to make medical decisions for their kids as they have proven that they cannot make them in a way that will preserve their children's lives.

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Never thought I would agree with an argument with the word Asshats in it.....but there you go Smile

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People like this make me cringe when they say christian. I dont want this to be associated with me.

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Those aren't Christian beliefs, those are crazy person beliefs. Horrible.

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Exactly Laurie.

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Makes me feel for Muslims. I bet every time one of the extremist does something they say is for Islam, all the others cringe knowing that they will be associated.

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They should be locked up and never get their other kids back. Sad for those other 7 kids, but clearly their lives are in danger with such extremist loons as parents.

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Extremist loons = perfect description.

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I find these people horrible. They should be in jail. They should have been in jail the first time to stop them from doing it again.

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Ok... on the other hand ... I am not sure I would have taken my child in for these symptoms - coughing, congestion, crankiness and a loss of appetite. Catherine, Herbert Schaible's Second Child Dies After Parents Use Prayer, No Medicine

Both my children have had these symptoms.. my oldest even has severe allergic reactions that I have medicated at home.. With Epi-Pen in hand. There is actually lots you can do for these symptoms usually at home, and my children's has never gotten into infections, or a need to get to the dr for it.. Not sure if it was because of their immune systems or how I treat it. My kids have never been to the dr for a cold or flu, and I wouldn't think of sending them for those things, as What I have done works...

HOWEVER - What these parents do.. already failed once! if one of my children had died, I would have been way more diligent, as I would be afraid of just this reprocussion. And even using herbs or homeopathic remedies would probably be seen as negligent.. It says "No Meds" and "only Prayer".. I just wonder if that is true or if they used other non-traditional medicine.. like honey in licorice tea, or ginger baths.. etc. Often Eastern Medicine is seen as "Negligent" or "no medicine" in our culture, so it is very interesting.

Another point... no one blames the parents when their child dies from a staph infection they got in the hospital when taken in to treat a common cold....

It is a fine line we are talking about.. between parental choices, and state interfering... I have seen the state be so very wrong in so many cases.. But I have also see parents destroy their children too.