Thread: Final debate

See, in my personal belief system, God knows that I would terminate the pregnancy and is okay with that decision. He expected me to make that choice. You don't believe that and I won't force that on you. Belief systems work all sorts of ways.

Originally Posted by Alissa_Sal

I agree with the bolded; it falls in line with the argument that god gives people free will. It makes sense. Obviously I don't believe it just because I don't believe in god, but I can certainly see the logic and agree it is logical.

My problem is that the guy said that if you get pregnant from a rape, that is pregnancy is something that God intended to happen.

Meaning, that god IS responsible for the pregnancy, it was his will, right? That's why I don't get the logic behind what that guy said.

To be fair, I honestly don't believe that guy was trying to say something awful like god wants women to get raped. I just think he was being illogical.

Either god intended for the pregnancy to happen (which means he kind of had to intend for the rape, since physically the baby is a consequence of the rape and would not have existed otherwise) or god did not specifically intend for the pregnancy because he did not intend for the rape. He may have let it happen because of free will, but he didn't specifically, like, will it to happen.

I know that God can take a bad situation and make something good come out of it, babies are always a good thing

A wanted baby is always a good thing.

A baby that is a constant reminder to the mother of her rape...not so much.

Originally Posted by Jessica80

A wanted baby is always a good thing.

A baby that is a constant reminder to the mother of her rape...not so much.

I am going to disagree and say a baby is always a good thing. There are hundreds of thousands people who would take a new born baby if they could afford it. I would adopt a newborn baby tomorrow if it was not $30,000.

I support that. In my current position in life, my personal view is that a baby would be a good (albeit very unexpected and not planned lol) thing. Provided that I conceived it with my husband who loves me in an act of consent.

Getting raped and then having to carry that baby to term, birth it and either give it away to someone or keep it to raise are not easy decisions either.

Originally Posted by Jessica80

Getting raped and then having to carry that baby to term, birth it and either give it away to someone or keep it to raise are not easy decisions either.

Easy? no. No one is saying it is easy. It is a very hard thing. But so is going through with an abortion. The abortion does not take away the pain of what has already happened.

I didn't say it would. I wouldn't expect it to. Nothing will ever take away the pain of rape. I just don't believe that everyone that gets pregnant following a rape finds the resulting baby a wonderful thing.

Originally Posted by mom3girls

I know that God can take a bad situation and make something good come out of it, babies are always a good thing

I don't think that babies are always a good thing. Like Jessica, I think that wanted babies are always a good thing. An unwanted pregnancy as a result of a rape that a woman is forced to carry because the government says she has to may well feel like a 9 month long continuation of her rape. I think it really minimizes women's feelings to pretend that every pregnancy is a joyous blessing.

Originally Posted by AlyssaEimers

I am going to disagree and say a baby is always a good thing. There are hundreds of thousands people who would take a new born baby if they could afford it. I would adopt a newborn baby tomorrow if it was not $30,000.

I don't think it matters that there are people out there that would adopt a baby. The fact that there are couples out there that want to adopt doesn't really obligate a woman to carry her rapist's baby against her will, IMO.

Originally Posted by Alissa_Sal

I don't think that babies are always a good thing. Like Jessica, I think that wanted babies are always a good thing. An unwanted pregnancy as a result of a rape that a woman is forced to carry because the government says she has to may well feel like a 9 month long continuation of her rape. I think it really minimizes women's feelings to pretend that every pregnancy is a joyous blessing.

I think that babies are good things, and pregnancies aren't necessarily. I think they can be and often are exclusive of each other (the feelings about each of them, that is).