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    Can I ask how you guys know that you'd get fired for something like this?
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    Quote Originally Posted by freddieflounder101 View Post
    Can I ask how you guys know that you'd get fired for something like this?
    For me it is a question of security clearance, lose that and I would have lost my job. For my level of security I am not the only person investigated, my family and anyone I am close to are as well. Anyone with a criminal record in my background and I lose my level of clearance. In some cases it could be possible to work on unclassified stuff but not in the job I was doing. And the theory behind checking others in my background is that they could pressure me into releasing information which could be harmful to Canada or other Nations (although in my case my files were all Canadian stuff but you never know).

    While I no longer work that job I still technically have my clearance but if I went back they would do another check as I have left public service. If I had just left for maternity leave of a year my clearance would have stayed fully intact but at the time I took maternity of leave I did not work for the feds I worked in private industry.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Potter75 View Post
    And I'm sorry, but whipping out the miscarriage card is just a legit debate standard, IMO. While I am truly terribly sorry that you have suffered losses, that does not make your living child, or your opinion, any more valid. It should not even enter into the debate, frankly.
    I "whipped out the miscarriage card" due to this comment
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    This woman has done NOTHING wrong and you want her to be unemployable? That is horrendous! This is what law enforcement is for! It is SICK to think that her JAILED ex is able to have this control over her life because of your precious snowflakes.
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    which I replied by saying
    After having a total of 14 m/c trying to have a baby you can bet that my child is more important to me then a teacher's job. If the ex could be kept in jail I would have no issue with her teaching but my child should not be put in danger.
    and I stand by my comment still. My child is more important to ME then anyone else's job. If my child is going to be put into danger then I AM going to be upset by that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mom2robbie View Post
    I "whipped out the miscarriage card" due to this comment

    which I replied by saying

    and I stand by my comment still. My child is more important to ME then anyone else's job. If my child is going to be put into danger then I AM going to be upset by that.

    Yes, I'm sure you would be unusual if your child were not more important than someone else's job. I'm sure we all agree as mothers. The point is, in mentioning your miscarriages, you imply that your child is more important or more precious than MY child just because you had losses, and that, my friend, is incorrect. Further, you are setting this up as a false argument ~ Your child or her job. Do you have proof that any child was or ever could be actually threatened by this jailed men? No. So when you make these overblown emotional statements like "my childs life is more important than her job" yes they sound lovely but they have no basis in fact. Unless you know the family history of EVERY CHILD in your childs school, daycare, soccer team etc your child is technically as "at risk" every day as he was from this woman being employed at the school. Its easy to be cavalier about throwing her rights out the window, until it happens to you or someone you like. You really stand behind a precedant like that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mom2robbie View Post
    Also, here we do not have the big worry of nut jobs coming to our schools with guns and killing a bunch of people.
    W. R. Myers High School shooting - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Also, I worked for the federal government in a number of positions and I cannot imagine one for which I would be fired for having a violent ex. Actually a colleague of mine was walked to and from his car every night by the RCMP (who worked in our building) after his ex-wife tried to set him on fire, and it's not like PSAC was involved with getting him that, it was just common sense. The primary purpose of investigating family members for security clearance is to see whether you or a family member are a risk for blackmail.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mom2robbie View Post
    For me it is a question of security clearance, lose that and I would have lost my job. For my level of security I am not the only person investigated, my family and anyone I am close to are as well. Anyone with a criminal record in my background and I lose my level of clearance. In some cases it could be possible to work on unclassified stuff but not in the job I was doing. And the theory behind checking others in my background is that they could pressure me into releasing information which could be harmful to Canada or other Nations (although in my case my files were all Canadian stuff but you never know).

    While I no longer work that job I still technically have my clearance but if I went back they would do another check as I have left public service. If I had just left for maternity leave of a year my clearance would have stayed fully intact but at the time I took maternity of leave I did not work for the feds I worked in private industry.
    This surprises me. My husband has pretty high security clearance and wouldn't lose it due to this. Once he got it and was employed they look at the circumstances as well. As well, working for the federal government, it is practically impossible for him to get fired.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mom2robbie View Post
    For me it is a question of security clearance, lose that and I would have lost my job. For my level of security I am not the only person investigated, my family and anyone I am close to are as well. Anyone with a criminal record in my background and I lose my level of clearance. In some cases it could be possible to work on unclassified stuff but not in the job I was doing. And the theory behind checking others in my background is that they could pressure me into releasing information which could be harmful to Canada or other Nations (although in my case my files were all Canadian stuff but you never know).

    While I no longer work that job I still technically have my clearance but if I went back they would do another check as I have left public service. If I had just left for maternity leave of a year my clearance would have stayed fully intact but at the time I took maternity of leave I did not work for the feds I worked in private industry.
    Even if you are the victim of that crime? I understand the purpose of security clearance and background checks but it sounds like if Uncle Joe is serving 25 years for molesting me when I was 7, he's now preventing me from employment opportunities as well. Just doesn't seem right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blather View Post
    W. R. Myers High School shooting - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Also, I worked for the federal government in a number of positions and I cannot imagine one for which I would be fired for having a violent ex. Actually a colleague of mine was walked to and from his car every night by the RCMP (who worked in our building) after his ex-wife tried to set him on fire, and it's not like PSAC was involved with getting him that, it was just common sense. The primary purpose of investigating family members for security clearance is to see whether you or a family member are a risk for blackmail.
    One child was killed, yes that was horrific but look at Newton, has anything like that happened here...no. Marc Lepine killed 8 women, and that was 20 years ago, when has that happened again in Canada.

    And my clearance documents are very clear.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mom2robbie View Post
    One child was killed, yes that was horrific but look at Newton, has anything like that happened here...no. Marc Lepine killed 8 women, and that was 20 years ago, when has that happened again in Canada.

    And my clearance documents are very clear.
    I'm so confused by your point. So Canadian schools are so much safer? So what are you so paranoid about that you want to start stripping VICTIMS of their rights? Adam Lanza didn't have any arrest record- what at all does newton have to do with this debate? Just taking a poke at Americans?

    My husband has his secret clearance and would not lose his job for this. Now- he could concievably lose his clearance or raise eyebrows for posting very intimate information all over a very public forum, using his real name, family location, and talking about his job etc. it's so interesting to me that you are so sure that you would lose your job if someone committed a crime against you due to the super secret nature of your job but you write very intimate details of your cervical mucous and your family and whatnot without any worries of recourse. It's strange to me.
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    If I was an administrator at Newton, and I could see into the future, I would let go of the shooter's mother if she worked there. I know it would be unfair to her, but the life of each of the precious snowflakes in that school are more important than someone's job.
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