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    Quote Originally Posted by Potter75 View Post
    But when you say "something like Newtown" you imply that Newtown was about a stalking ex. It wasnt. You know? Thats what I don't get.

    I can't think of a case where a man behind bars hurt school children. Can anyone?
    I don't think it necessarily implies that is what happened at Newtown was a stalking ex to bring it up as relevant to this debate as why these school administrators where concerned. There are multiple cases where a stalking ex DID come and shoot people at the ex-wife's place of employment. I'm not sure they made the right decision but it is certainly relevant to the debate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ClairesMommy View Post
    I highly doubt anyone in their right mind would sign a contract that states that they can get canned for any reason at any time, with no pay in lieu of notice and no severance terms laid out in writing.
    I agree with your sentiments, but all work here is "at will" so we can all get canned for any reason at any time.

    Most companies don't do that, as they are concerned about lawsuits. In fact, it can be painfully difficult to fire someone who actually sucks at their job, but ridiculously easy to get rid of somebody for no reason at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by freddieflounder101 View Post
    I agree with your sentiments, but all work here is "at will" so we can all get canned for any reason at any time.

    Most companies don't do that, as they are concerned about lawsuits. In fact, it can be painfully difficult to fire someone who actually sucks at their job, but ridiculously easy to get rid of somebody for no reason at all.
    I thought work was 'at necessity'. I mean, I work because I have to, even when I have no will. Really? It's "at will"? That sucks Americans have to be faced with potential termination at somebody's whim and have nothing in terms of compensation. Makes me sick. Here even the kid at McDonald's or in the Sev gets pay in lieu of notice if he gets terminated for (i.e.) habitual tardiness, or even if the company just can't keep him on anymore. I agree about the sucking at your job thing. Here it seems that the ones who suck at their jobs the most are unionized and they can't ever be gotten rid of without a fight. My FIL was one of them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ClairesMommy View Post
    I thought work was 'at necessity'. I mean, I work because I have to, even when I have no will. Really? It's "at will"? That sucks Americans have to be faced with potential termination at somebody's whim and have nothing in terms of compensation. Makes me sick. Here even the kid at McDonald's or in the Sev gets pay in lieu of notice if he gets terminated for (i.e.) habitual tardiness, or even if the company just can't keep him on anymore. I agree about the sucking at your job thing. Here it seems that the ones who suck at their jobs the most are unionized and they can't ever be gotten rid of without a fight. My FIL was one of them.
    Well it's a double-edged sword. Seems like great people can be fired for no reason and sucky people can't be....at least that's how it often seems to me. Most places will provide some sort of severance, though.
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    I used to work as a store manager and we owned a business. It is very hard to fire people. I actually had a case with an assistant manager that had a boyfriend that was abusive, he would come in and just sit and watch her work. If she spoke to a male customer he would break hangers and throw things. I had to call the police several times, but they wouldnt do anything unless she pressed charges, which she refused. I couldnt fire her, even when she missed shifts on a regular basis. The company was afraid of a lawsuit since she wasnt the one breaking hangers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mom3girls View Post
    I used to work as a store manager and we owned a business. I is very hard to fire people. I actually had a case with an assistant manager that had a boyfriend that was abusive, he would come in and just sit and watch her work. If she spoke to a male customer he would break hangers and throw things. I had to call the police several times, but they wouldnt do anything unless she pressed charges, which she refused. I couldnt fire her, even when she missed shifts on a regular basis. The company was afraid of a lawsuit since she wasnt the one breaking hangers.
    Very frustrating. In that case, why couldn't the store owner press charges because he was causing problems and refusing to leave? Sometimes the legal system seems really messed up.

    I still think this woman shouldn't have to lose her job and suffer even MORE because of the situation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ClairesMommy View Post
    I thought work was 'at necessity'. I mean, I work because I have to, even when I have no will. Really? It's "at will"? That sucks Americans have to be faced with potential termination at somebody's whim and have nothing in terms of compensation. Makes me sick. Here even the kid at McDonald's or in the Sev gets pay in lieu of notice if he gets terminated for (i.e.) habitual tardiness, or even if the company just can't keep him on anymore. I agree about the sucking at your job thing. Here it seems that the ones who suck at their jobs the most are unionized and they can't ever be gotten rid of without a fight. My FIL was one of them.
    I'll be honest, were I a business owner, I would be LIVID at the thought that I had to pay someone who sucked at their job simply to fire them. Any company I ever worked at offered severance packages if layoffs were taking place, generally two weeks for each year of employment, sometimes more. Those were corporate positions, however, not hourly type jobs.

    It is nice, though, that after firing her and rendering her almost unhirable, they have stated that they are going to pray for her. I'm sure that will help her pay her bills ;/. And when she is homeless it will probably make her a lot easier to stalk. Really awesome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Potter75 View Post
    I'll be honest, were I a business owner, I would be LIVID at the thought that I had to pay someone who sucked at their job simply to fire them. Any company I ever worked at offered severance packages if layoffs were taking place, generally two weeks for each year of employment, sometimes more. Those were corporate positions, however, not hourly type jobs.

    It is nice, though, that after firing her and rendering her almost unhirable, they have stated that they are going to pray for her. I'm sure that will help her pay her bills ;/. And when she is homeless it will probably make her a lot easier to stalk. Really awesome.
    This country is VERY pro-employee. Most, if not all provinces, require 2 weeks' notice from an employee should they resign (even at a low income type job though I'm sure many kids and McD's simply just don't show up when they've had enough instead of giving proper notice). So on the flip side of that if an employee is supposed to give 2 weeks' notice than the employer has an equal obligation to pay those 2 weeks if they want to simply fire the employee. In places where only one week's notice is required than only one week's pay is owing.

    In my several years in the employment law dept I have seen some pretty jaw-dropping stuff. There have been many times where I actually feel bad for the employer - having to pay out what they are required to by statute. Then again, you see stuff like the female postal workers who finally won their wrongful termination suits not long ago after 30 YEARS in the courts and they got millions. It was beautiful.

    I digress.

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    In my industry we would resign and provide our two weeks notice, hand in our door key, calculator and other work property, and generally be escorted to the door, but be paid for our two weeks, even though we would not be working (as generally one was moving on to work for a competitor and there was no reason to give you continued access to the client base/proprietary info etc). I still can't imagine paying an hourly sort of employee who one was firing for poor performance. Boggles my mind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Potter75 View Post
    In my industry we would resign and provide our two weeks notice, hand in our door key, calculator and other work property, and generally be escorted to the door, but be paid for our two weeks, even though we would not be working (as generally one was moving on to work for a competitor and there was no reason to give you continued access to the client base/proprietary info etc). I still can't imagine paying an hourly sort of employee who one was firing for poor performance. Boggles my mind.
    A few years ago I had a HORRIBLE person on my team who was lazy and even said things in front of HR that I thought were grounds for firing on the spot, and it still took us months to get rid of him, not to mention endless conversations, notes, and meetings with HR. Drove me nuts. The guy even said inf front of our HR person, "Oh, I didn't write those articles I said I would because they really take a lot out of me." Seriously.
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