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    Is this religious discrimination? How is it different than if Chick-Fil-A fired someone for saying they support gay marriage?

    College football analyst Craig James was fired after a brief stint with FOX Sports Southwest over anti-gay comments he made while running for political office in Texas, according to of the Dallas Morning News. James joined Fox Sports Southwest in late August but was fired after just one appearance.

    A former college football standout at SMU and with the New England Patriots during the 1980s who went on to become a polarizing analyst for ESPN, James left broadcasting to enter the race for a vacant senate seat in Texas in 2011. During a debate in February 2012, James said that gay people would "answer to the Lord for their actions" and claimed that being gay was "a choice," according to USA Today. He also chastised opponent Tom Leppert for attending a gay pride parade.

    ?We just asked ourselves how Craig?s statements would play in our human resources department,? an unnamed Fox spokesman told Barry Horn of the Dallas Morning News after it was reported that James had been fired. ?He couldn?t say those things here.?

    James made one appearance on FSSN during the first weekend of the college football season and then was sacked. Citing unnamed sources, Richard Deitsch of Sports Illustrated reported that James' hiring "had not been fully vetted at the highest levels of Fox Sports management."

    "Craig James will not be making any further appearances on Fox Sports Southwest's football coverage this season," a Fox Sports spokesperson told Deitsch.

    While at ESPN, James became embroiled in a controversy involving coach Mike Leach, then the coach at Texas Tech. In 2011, James left ESPN to run for office. When FOX Sports Southwest announced James' return to broadcasting, they touted the hire proudly.

    ?We?re excited to add Craig to the FOX Sports Southwest team,? FSSW executive producer Mike Anastassiou said when James was hired, according to the Houston Chronicle. ?He?s a talented broadcaster who I?ve admired throughout his career. His knowledge of college football and the experience he brings as an analyst will be a tremendous asset to our coverage.?
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    Nope, it's not religious discrimination. It's gay discrimination. Here we go again with hiding behind religion as a way to spout bigotry and hatred. Didn't God create us all and doesn't he love us all, even if he made some of us gay?
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    Those aren't "religious beliefs". Those are anti-gay statements made in public. Their mistake was in hiring him in the first place without doing their research, they should be faulted for that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by freddieflounder101 View Post
    Those aren't "religious beliefs". Those are anti-gay statements made in public. Their mistake was in hiring him in the first place without doing their research, they should be faulted for that.
    They absolutely are religious beliefs.
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    Bah. Go ahead and chase your tail on this one, girls, no matter what side you're on. I can't be bothered to do this again.

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    He didn't even mention any specific religion. Does invoking the name of the Lord mean that everything you say is a religious belief? What if I say that white people who marry non-white people will have to answer to the Lord? Does that make what I say a religious belief?
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    Quote Originally Posted by freddieflounder101 View Post
    He didn't even mention any specific religion. Does invoking the name of the Lord mean that everything you say is a religious belief? What if I say that white people who marry non-white people will have to answer to the Lord? Does that make what I say a religious belief?
    Why would he have to? What would you assume if someone said it is up to the Lord to judge gay people that he is Atheist? If talking about the Lord isn't religious than why aren't teachers allowed to do it in school? You can't have it both ways.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GloriaInTX View Post
    Why would he have to? What would you assume if someone said it is up to the Lord to judge gay people that he is Atheist? If talking about the Lord isn't religious than why aren't teachers allowed to do it in school? You can't have it both ways.
    You're missing my point. I'm saying that you don't get to use the name of the Lord to say whatever you want and then call religious discrimination when you get in trouble for it. He got fired for being anti-gay, not for talking about God.
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    Quote Originally Posted by freddieflounder101 View Post
    You're missing my point. I'm saying that you don't get to use the name of the Lord to say whatever you want and then call religious discrimination when you get in trouble for it. He got fired for being anti-gay, not for talking about God.
    No I still don't get the point. They are the same in this context. He was speaking about the morality of being gay according to his religious beliefs. It is clear when you read the whole context that he was talking about his Christian beliefs.

    Republican U.S. Senate Candidate Craig James says he believes being gay is a choice and gays will have to answer to God.

    James made those comments Wednesday during a Republican candidate debate in Dallas where Tom Leppert was also forced to defend his record as Dallas mayor.

    At least twice while serving as Dallas’ mayor, Republican Tom Leppert marched in Dallas’ gay pride parade.

    Opponent Ted Cruz has hammered Leppert for joining the marches, which prompted a question to Cruz that he sidestepped during Wednesday’s debate.

    Moderator: Are you saying Mayor Leppert is in favor of gay marriage?

    Cruz: What I am saying is that when a mayor of a city chooses twice to march in a parade celebrating gay pride, that’s a statement - and it’s not a statement I agree with.

    Former Mayor Leppert has complained that Cruz has distorted his position on gays, and Leppert wanted to clear up misconceptions for the conservative voters who were listening.

    Leppert: The mayor is against gay marriage. I believe marriage should be defined as one man and one woman. But I had the responsibility to represent everybody, but everybody understood where my faith was. I will tell my role as a Christian is to reach out and touch everybody.

    Former television sports analyst Craig James then weighed in.

    James: I think right now in this country, our moral fiber is sliding down a slope that is going to be hard to stop if we don’t stand up with leaders who don’t go ride in gay parades. I can assure you I will never ride in a gay parade. And I hear what you’re saying, Tom, but leaders - our kids out there people need to see examples.

    Moderator: Do you think people choose to be gay?

    James: I think it’s a choice, I do.

    Moderator: It’s not in the genes?

    James: I think that you have to make that choice. But in that case right there, they are going to have to answer to the Lord for their actions. We should not give benefits to those civil unions.
    Craig James: Being Gay A 'Choice' | KERA News
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    So if he'd said that he believed white people shouldn't marry black people and that if they did they'd have to answer to the Lord, and then he got fired, would that be being fired for his religious beliefs?

    Saying "being gay is a choice" has nothing to do with religion; I don't believe that particular part of the issue comes up in the Bible directly. So all he did was invoke the Lord, that doesn't mean he's being fired for religious beliefs. He wasn't fired for being Christian or for believing in the Bible. He was fired for saying negative things about being gay, which his employers absolutely should have known about beforehand since it was public record.

    This is not about religion.
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