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    Quote Originally Posted by GloriaInTX View Post
    Yes. Religious discrimination.
    No, for THEIR discriminatory anti-gay practices....not that you didn't know that's what I meant.

    You can be any religion or no religion, if you discriminate against gay people you get the same punishment. Therefore nothing to do with religion. If I refuse service to gay people I suffer identical consequences.

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    So should the bakery also have a say as to who eats the cake at the wedding? What if gay couples are there?

    What about heterosexuals that have had sex before marriage? Should we refuse to sell them cake as well?

    And isn't it the "sin" of sex the actual problem not the actual identification as gay? So, for all they know these people are married for a green card or for insurance benefits which does happen in heterosexual marriages...so no sex involved at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by freddieflounder101 View Post
    No, for THEIR discriminatory anti-gay practices....not that you didn't know that's what I meant.

    You can be any religion or no religion, if you discriminate against gay people you get the same punishment. Therefore nothing to do with religion. If I refuse service to gay people I suffer identical consequences.

    Hiding behind religion doesn't change anything.
    Oh it has EVERYTHING to do with religion. Gay people forcing their beliefs on everyone else. I don't agree with gay discrimination laws period. There shouldn't be a protected class of people based on who they have sex with.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GloriaInTX View Post
    Oh it has EVERYTHING to do with religion. Gay people forcing their beliefs on everyone else. I don't agree with gay discrimination laws period. There shouldn't be a protected class of people based on who they have sex with.
    So inconvenient that the gays won't just shut up and accept their second class status, eh? Forcing their beliefs that they are equal and deserve equal treatment on everyone else! Wanting special treatment like being allowed to purchase a cake that anyone else could purchase. Hmmmph! I never! :P
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    Quote Originally Posted by GloriaInTX View Post
    If it was just a cake how would they even know what event it was for? They specifically told them it was for a gay wedding. If they just came in and ordered a cake they wouldn't have known. If a gay person came in and ordered a birthday cake they wouldn't refuse them because they are gay. It is not who they are it is the event it is for.
    No, it's about the people. Weddings don't happen without people. If your business relies on serving people, then you serve *all* of the people. Anything less is discrimination. Your religious beliefs cover what you do & don't do in your personal life; you don't get to loop in everyone else, and you don't operate a business that serves the public if your religious beliefs will lead you to discriminate against fellow human beings. It's that simple.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alissa_Sal View Post
    So inconvenient that the gays won't just shut up and accept their second class status, eh? Forcing their beliefs that they are equal and deserve equal treatment on everyone else! Wanting special treatment like being allowed to purchase a cake that anyone else could purchase. Hmmmph! I never! :P
    Right. They deserve equal treatment just like everyone else. Not because of who they have sex with. They can purchase a cake just like anyone else except when it for an event that goes against the religious beliefs of the person baking it. I'm pretty sure that same bakery would refuse to make a wedding cake that has witchcraft symbols on it, and they should have that right.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GloriaInTX View Post
    Right. They deserve equal treatment just like everyone else. Not because of who they have sex with. They can purchase a cake just like anyone else except when it for an event that goes against the religious beliefs of the person baking it. I'm pretty sure that same bakery would refuse to make a wedding cake that has witchcraft symbols on it, and they should have that right.
    I don't remember reading that they wanted a witchcraft cake? I thought it was just a normal wedding cake! I assume that baking a normal wedding cake does not go against this baker's religion? If so, he sure is in the wrong business! And again, in CO, unfortunately gay people haven't yet been given full equality, so in CO they would be having a civil union. Are you guys against civil unions now too? I thought it was just the word "marriage" that gets Conservative Christians all twitterpated. So since they can't even get married, there shouldn't be anything to get upset by, right? Just a big fancy (non witch craft) civil union cake...nothing to see here folks!
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    Quote Originally Posted by GloriaInTX View Post
    Right. They deserve equal treatment just like everyone else. Not because of who they have sex with. They can purchase a cake just like anyone else except when it for an event that goes against the religious beliefs of the person baking it. I'm pretty sure that same bakery would refuse to make a wedding cake that has witchcraft symbols on it, and they should have that right.
    You should have ended this paragraph after the second sentence. This has nothing to do with sex, and it *should* have nothing to do with anyone's religious beliefs, Christians or witches or atheists or Jews. It's about people who deserve equal treatment. PERIOD.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alissa_Sal View Post
    I don't remember reading that they wanted a witchcraft cake? I thought it was just a normal wedding cake! I assume that baking a normal wedding cake does not go against this baker's religion? If so, he sure is in the wrong business! And again, in CO, unfortunately gay people haven't yet been given full equality, so in CO they would be having a civil union. Are you guys against civil unions now too? I thought it was just the word "marriage" that gets Conservative Christians all twitterpated. So since they can't even get married, there shouldn't be anything to get upset by, right? Just a big fancy (non witch craft) civil union cake...nothing to see here folks!
    So it would have been ok for them to refuse a witchcraft cake as that would have been within their religious rights but not a gay marriage cake I guess. They didn't ask for a civil union cake. They asked for a wedding cake for a gay marriage. I don't know whether the baker would have objected to a civil union cake or not. If they were going to do a civil union I guess they would have done it in CO instead of having a wedding in Mass.
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    Okay first of all, gay people can be celibate. There are gay kids who aren't even thinking about sex at all. This is not about sex.

    Second, what if a couple wanted a regular wedding cake (with no special symbols) for their Wiccan wedding? I'm sure that's against the baker's religious beliefs too. What if they're devil worshippers who want a regular wedding cake? They still get their cake! You're not allowed to decide who to serve based on religion, either.

    And third, this is where you get offended because I say what I haven't been saying yet, which is that you, and the guy who was fired from his job (f that's his argument), and the baker who refused to make the cake are all hiding your bigotry behind religion.

    Fortunately we have laws to protect us from discrimination based on bigotry, and fortunately gay people have legal options when they are refused service illegally by bigots. They can sue. Sometimes it's about your wedding cake, and sometimes it's about paving the way for future generations in the hopes that we can rid ourselves of such prejudice, and people who want to refuse service to gay people, or ruin their wedding cakes in the hopes of turning a happy occasion of love into a sad one of hatred and bigotry.

    Yeah...I gave up on pretending that's not what it is. 'Cause we all know that's exactly what it is. I know plenty of religious people who love God and read the Bible and believe it and do not have the same bigoted "I won't serve the gays" view as this baker. It's not a Christian thing, it's a prejudice thing.
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