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    Quote Originally Posted by Rivergallery View Post
    Can a BLACK establishment refuse to make a party plan for a KKK wedding?
    The KKK is not a protected class of citizens. It's a hate group. An establishment owned by African Americans would have every right to refuse service to them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rivergallery View Post
    Can a BLACK establishment refuse to make a party plan for a KKK wedding?
    I assume you mean could a black baker refuse to make a cake with KKK symbols? Sure. That goes back to not offering a certain type of product, like the Christian baker not making a cake with witch craft symbols.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spacers View Post
    The KKK is not a protected class of citizens. It's a hate group. An establishment owned by African Americans would have every right to refuse service to them.
    I am sorry, but this is a very hypocritical stance. You either have the right to refuse to serve someone because you morally disagree with them or you do not. If a staunch anti gay rights business owner has to serve a gay couple, then in turn a Black business owner has to serve a member of the KKK.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlyssaEimers View Post
    I am sorry, but this is a very hypocritical stance. You either have the right to refuse to serve someone because you morally disagree with them or you do not. If a staunch anti gay rights business owner has to serve a gay couple, then in turn a Black business owner has to serve a member of the KKK.
    No you don't. There are laws to protect people from discrimination. Gay people fall under those laws. Opinions on morality do not. The KKK is not a protected group. You
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    Quote Originally Posted by freddieflounder101 View Post
    No you don't. There are laws to protect people from discrimination. Gay people fall under those laws. Opinions on morality do not. The KKK is not a protected group. You
    Thats the point. Gay people fall under opinions on morality for those who believe it is a sin. So they should not be a protected group any more than the KKK.
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    Quote Originally Posted by freddieflounder101 View Post
    No you don't. There are laws to protect people from discrimination. Gay people fall under those laws. Opinions on morality do not. The KKK is not a protected group. You
    Being a member of a group is not a crime (disgusting, but not a crime). It is just as much discrimination for a Black person to refuse to serve someone because they are a member of the KKK as it is for a Black person to refuse to serve someone just because they are White. If a business owner has to serve everyone who is willing to pay for those services, then that includes the KKK.

    (I do think the KKK is a terrible organisation, but the principle is the same)

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    But heres the thing. A black person can refuse to cater a KKK event, because they dont cater those types of events. They cannot refuse to cater a wedding in which 2 members of the KKK are being married if they cater marriages. They can refuse to put KKK symbols on the cake, but they cant refuse to make them a wedding cake.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ftmom View Post
    They cannot refuse to cater a wedding in which 2 members of the KKK are being married if they cater marriages.
    This is not what I was understanding PP to say. (Forgive me if I am wrong, I have a killer headache).

    I do not see any difference in saying "You are a member of the KKK, therefore I do not like you and will not serve you" and saying "You are gay, therefore I do not like you and will not serve you." It does not make any sense at all to me to say one is legal and the other is not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GloriaInTX View Post
    Thats the point. Gay people fall under opinions on morality for those who believe it is a sin. So they should not be a protected group any more than the KKK.
    Same for Christians, right? Because that falls under opinions on morality as well. Just want to make sure I'm clear on what you mean.
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    Quote Originally Posted by freddieflounder101 View Post
    Same for Christians, right? Because that falls under opinions on morality as well. Just want to make sure I'm clear on what you mean.
    Freedom of religion is protected under the Constitution. So Christians should be free to exercise their religious beliefs just like any other religion. But that doesn't include forcing your beliefs on someone else. So yes it is the same for Christians if a Christian went in to a florist and said they wanted an Easter bouquet and the florist refuses because they are Jewish and felt it was wrong to participate in an Easter tradition then they should have that right. Or if a Christian asked an Islamic photographer to photograph a babies baptism and they felt that went against their beliefs they should be able to refuse.
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