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    The Supreme Court in U.S. v. Windsor, although it did not outright establish sexual orientation as a protected class as other cases have with other things, is being widely regarded as effectively doing that at the federal level. That decision says that the federal government can no longer discriminate against gays and lesbians. And if the federal government can't, then states can't, either.

    And "strong supporter of anti gay rights" is not a protected class, so refusing service to them solely for that reason would not break the law. It's also not against the law to refuse service to someone in a protected class as long as the reason for refusing service is not discriminatory. I dealt with this issue a lot in my restaurant manager days. If a person or group was being rowdy and I had to toss them out, I had to make it very clear that it was only because of their bad behavior, not their race, not their religion, not because they were gay, not because they were straight, and not because they had purple hair. They were being tossed out solely because of their behavior. We would happily serve everyone of every color, religion, sexual identity, and hair color, as long as they were behaving themselves.
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    Spacers is right.

    Although, I do have a funny story. I was once refused employment for being blonde. Manager was ready to give me the job, I met the owner and then later the manager called (a relatively close aquaintance.) and let me know that I wouldn't be working there. I asked what went wrong. Totally baffled. She said the owner didn't want to hire me because I had blonde hair. This was a retail job, had nothing to pertain to my hair color as long as it looked clean and presentable. Clearly unfair discrimination right. However, Blondes are not a protected class.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bunnyfufu View Post
    Spacers is right.

    Although, I do have a funny story. I was once refused employment for being blonde. Manager was ready to give me the job, I met the owner and then later the manager called (a relatively close aquaintance.) and let me know that I wouldn't be working there. I asked what went wrong. Totally baffled. She said the owner didn't want to hire me because I had blonde hair. This was a retail job, had nothing to pertain to my hair color as long as it looked clean and presentable. Clearly unfair discrimination right. However, Blondes are not a protected class.
    No, but they should be. OMG I'm totally kidding! I wonder if I've ever been discriminated against as a brunette without knowing it, like when I was bartending and waitressing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bunnyfufu View Post
    Spacers is right.

    Although, I do have a funny story. I was once refused employment for being blonde. Manager was ready to give me the job, I met the owner and then later the manager called (a relatively close aquaintance.) and let me know that I wouldn't be working there. I asked what went wrong. Totally baffled. She said the owner didn't want to hire me because I had blonde hair. This was a retail job, had nothing to pertain to my hair color as long as it looked clean and presentable. Clearly unfair discrimination right. However, Blondes are not a protected class.
    That is beyond bizarre!!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by GloriaInTX View Post
    I can think of many ways this could go against your religion. If I sell guns for a living and someone tells me they want to purchase a gun to kill someone should I sell it to them anyway? Granted that is illegal but what if I was a Buddhist and refused to sell a gun to someone that wanted to shoot a cow with it? If I sell medical supplies should I be forced to sell products to an abortion clinic if I think that is murder? If I am a nurse should I be forced to participate in an abortion? These are more extreme examples but it is the same concept.
    Why would a gun-selling Buddhist care about cows? Is it possible that you are confusing them with Hindhus?

    If you are a nurse who will refuse to provide all appropriate obstetric care, you should not be a nurse anywhere that might call for it, so choose psychiatry not the emergency room.
    If you choose to sell something, you can either choose to sell it to everyone who needs them or no one. So don't sell anything an obgyn clinic might need, like a stapler or speculum.

    How about this? If I'm an atheist and I work as a janitor at a church, can I throw the bibles in the garbage? Can I bar the door against worshipers? No, of course not!! I should get a job where I am prepared to do the work involved.

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    Looks like the courts will decide if this was religious discrimination or not. The Liberty Institute has taken his case and he is suing to get his job back.

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    Haha, we got so far afield with that debate that I was like "Who the h.e.l.l. is Craig James??? The baker?" LMAO
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    Quote Originally Posted by GloriaInTX View Post
    Looks like the courts will decide if this was religious discrimination or not. The Liberty Institute has taken his case and he is suing to get his job back.

    Craig James
    He's not suing to get his job back because he never officially had a job with Fox Sports. Neither side had signed the contract. Fox Sports simply decided not to sign him, after all. It might seem that Fox Southwest had jumped the gun in putting Mr. James on the air but sports enthusiast friends of mine tell me that it's not unusual for sports networks to try out various pairings of anchors before signing a contract because they need to have good chemistry & team work on the air.
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    He was hired, worked for a week, Fox made a press announcement about his hiring, he went on the air, and then was fired. You can't be fired if you weren't hired. Sorry but they can't say now they didn't hire him. They are also trying to change their story now and say that isn't the reason they fired him, but it is a little late now since it is already on record.


    In an announcement on Aug. 30, 2013, that has since been removed, Fox Sports Southwest stated that James would be joining its Fox College Saturday studio team rounded out by Erin Hartigan and Ex-NFL quarterback Tony Banks.

    "We're excited to add Craig to the FOX Sports Southwest team," executive producer Mike Anastassiou noted in the announcement. "He's a talented broadcaster who I've admired throughout his career. His knowledge of college football and the experience he brings as an analyst will be a tremendous asset to our coverage."

    A day after his first appearance on air, however, Fox Sports Southwest's general manager Jon Heidtke who had hired him, told James he had been fired. Top officials at Fox Sports, he said, were informed about comments James made about same-sex marriage during his failed bid for a seat in the U.S. Senate in 2012 and were uncomfortable.
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    From the article you quoted:

    I was shocked that my personal religious beliefs were not only the reason for Fox Sports firing me, but I was completely floored when I read stories quoting Fox Sports representatives essentially saying that people of faith are banned from working at Fox Sports," James told Breitbart News in a report on Monday. "That is not right and surely someone made a terrible mistake."
    There is a big difference between saying "People of faith are banned from working at Fox" and "...people of faith are essentially banned...." I would like to read where anyone at Fox said "People of faith are banned from working at Fox." The "essentially" is a word added by James to twist the situation to his advantage.
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