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    Quote Originally Posted by freddieflounder101 View Post
    So if he'd said that he believed white people shouldn't marry black people and that if they did they'd have to answer to the Lord, and then he got fired, would that be being fired for his religious beliefs?

    Saying "being gay is a choice" has nothing to do with religion; I don't believe that particular part of the issue comes up in the Bible directly. So all he did was invoke the Lord, that doesn't mean he's being fired for religious beliefs. He wasn't fired for being Christian or for believing in the Bible. He was fired for saying negative things about being gay, which his employers absolutely should have known about beforehand since it was public record.

    This is not about religion.
    Saying being gay is a choice absolutely has to do with religion. How could it be a sin if it is not a choice you are making? That would be like God saying it is a sin to be black. It has EVERYTHING to do with religion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GloriaInTX View Post
    Saying being gay is a choice absolutely has to do with religion. How could it be a sin if it is not a choice you are making? That would be like God saying it is a sin to be black. It has EVERYTHING to do with religion.
    You're right. It sure as hell ain't a biological argument that homosexuality is a choice therefore it must fall under religion. I'm glad we agree that only religious people would take the position that being gay is a choice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GloriaInTX View Post
    Saying being gay is a choice absolutely has to do with religion. How could it be a sin if it is not a choice you are making? That would be like God saying it is a sin to be black. It has EVERYTHING to do with religion.
    He didn't say it was a sin, at least not in the article you posted. He said it wasn't a choice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by freddieflounder101 View Post
    He didn't say it was a sin, at least not in the article you posted. He said it wasn't a choice.
    Yes. It is a choice. He said it is a choice and that it is up to God to judge them (for their sin). That is a religious belief based on what the Bible teaches.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ethanwinfield View Post
    You're right. It sure as hell ain't a biological argument that homosexuality is a choice therefore it must fall under religion. I'm glad we agree that only religious people would take the position that being gay is a choice.
    Actually it is a biological argument also. There is absolutely no scientific proof that you are born that way. Therefore it is a choice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GloriaInTX View Post
    Actually it is a biological argument also. There is absolutely no scientific proof that you are born that way. Therefore it is a choice.
    You can't have it both ways. If it is also a biological argument he wasn't fired for religious beliefs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ethanwinfield View Post
    You can't have it both ways. If it is also a biological argument he wasn't fired for religious beliefs.
    He was making a religious argument and was fired for his religious beliefs. A biological argument CAN also be made but that is a whole different thing and wasn't what he said. He was speaking about his Christian beliefs in a moral context and that is what he was fired for.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GloriaInTX View Post
    He was making a religious argument and was fired for his religious beliefs. A biological argument CAN also be made but that is a whole different thing and wasn't what he said. He was speaking about his Christian beliefs in a moral context and that is what he was fired for.
    That's a really big stretch.

    In many high-profile, no/low-justice criminal cases, I often say, "God will judge." Or some variation. Am I making a "religious" assertion? No. Just trying to assuage the lack of justice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GloriaInTX View Post
    Yes. It is a choice. He said it is a choice and that it is up to God to judge them (for their sin). That is a religious belief based on what the Bible teaches.
    You added the sin part. He did not. The "choice" part is all his own and has nothing to do with religion, there is no specific religious book that says it's a choice. Saying something anti-gay (or racist, or sexist, or anything at all that someone would have an issue with) and then saying that the person doing that has to answer to the Lord doesn't turn it into a religious issue. It doesn't mean he's being fired for his religious beliefs. They don't care of he's Jewish or Christian or Muslim. They care that he made anti-gay statements and chastised someone for attending a gay pride parade. If he had been an atheist and made the same statements he'd be in the same trouble, whether or not he'd included the Lord.

    There's a debate here but it sure isn't about being fired for religious beliefs. He was fired for anti-gay statements. I'm guessing many of the higher-ups who had to make the decision are religious themselves, as many people are.
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