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    Quote Originally Posted by GloriaInTX View Post
    Actually it is a biological argument also. There is absolutely no scientific proof that you are born that way. Therefore it is a choice.
    There's no scientific proof that you're not.
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    Gloria - was he asked his opinion on gay marriage?
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    He was fired for being a bigot. He basically said that gay people are making a decision that will lead them to hell, and that they shouldn't even have the right to civil union, not even marriage. This wasn't a church conference or a bible discussion. It was a public debate for a secular political office. He could have said something innocuous like the mayor did, about how he doesn't personally believe in gay marriage but has a responsibility to represent all constituents, and he chose not to. He chose instead to gay-bash.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rivergallery View Post
    Gloria - was he asked his opinion on gay marriage?
    Read the article she posted. It's pretty much a transcript.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spacers View Post
    Read the article she posted. It's pretty much a transcript.
    I did read it.. it isn't a transcript.. the questions asked were not posted.. just exerpts from what he said..
    Let me put it this way.
    If you have a KKK member running for office.. and you ask them what they think of blacks or jews et all.. and they say derogatory things.. why would you then be amazed.. or upset? Leave it alone..
    If you ask a mother whose son died of drugs overdose if drugs should be legal .. and they say negative things about all drugs including marijuana and go on to bash all alchohol.. you would wonder why?

    It is baiting.... if it happened the way it sounded.. The media KNEW his beliefs.. the baited him into taking a stand knowing he would loose his job for saying it.

    In the cases I figuratively pointed out.. I would much rather any one of them state their viewpoint up front.. then hide and pander... like so many politicians.

    Either vote with them if you agree or vote against them if you don't.

    I do think it is ok to fire someone for pretty much anything.. though it sucks not to have freedom of speech in that regard.... AND as far as I can tell firing someone over their religious beliefs is illegal... course so is "harrassing" someone because of their sexual preference.. `not sure he was harassing anyone in particular.

    I agree with Gloria (no surprise (usually) on this one) - invoking God/Lord et all is a religious view... as it is not just from ones own idea.. God Judges right from wrong.. what God judges as WRONG is sin. Sorry can't really get away from that.

    He is getting fired because of his religious beliefs.. even though you think they are hateful.

    There are many religious beliefs that are thought of as hateful in many religions.. From Bride Burning, hanging, loss of limbs, caning, multilation, sacrificing.

    Trouble is ...
    #1 to those looking in many of these seem on the face of them pure evil, but you are not in their culture/society.
    #2 These are all way beyond the level of what this man is discussing in the article as his view on homosexuality.
    #3 Don't ask a question and then attack someone when they answer truthfully.
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    He wasn't attacked, he was just fired a year later when someone finally remembered where he stood on the issue.

    That said, I still don't think that invoking the Lord means you get the protection of "religious beliefs". If I go out there and say "Jewish people are cheaters and have to answer to the Lord," and I get fired, am I being fired for my religious beliefs?

    The Bible doesn't say being gay is a choice as far as I know. (not my area of experitise)

    Are you allowed to make up a belief, ascribe it to the Lord, and then say, when you get in trouble for it, that you're being fired for your religious beliefs vs. your actual own political viewpoint?

    The Lord has had nothing to say about civil marriage between gay people, as far as I know.

    My point is, he didn't get fired for religious beliefs, he got fired for his anti-gay views. It wouldn't have mattered if he'd included the Lord or not. The same statements, with or without, would have had the same result....nor was he speaking about religion as he brought up two things -- choice and civil marriage -- that are not mentioned in religion.

    I don't like when people hide behind religion, although I'm not sure that's what he did since the articles I've read say it's about his anti-gay stance and not his religion. As I said before, the people firing him are likely religious as well, as many people are.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spacers View Post
    He was fired for being a bigot. He basically said that gay people are making a decision that will lead them to hell, and that they shouldn't even have the right to civil union, not even marriage. This wasn't a church conference or a bible discussion. It was a public debate for a secular political office. He could have said something innocuous like the mayor did, about how he doesn't personally believe in gay marriage but has a responsibility to represent all constituents, and he chose not to. He chose instead to gay-bash.
    Would you rather have politicians or other public figures give innocuous answers then state the truth? I am fed up with giving "political" answers. I would rather they say how they feel, how it would effect how they vote and then they can let the voters decide
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    Quote Originally Posted by mom3girls View Post
    Would you rather have politicians or other public figures give innocuous answers then state the truth? I am fed up with giving "political" answers. I would rather they say how they feel, how it would effect how they vote and then they can let the voters decide
    I agree.

    I have no problem with this guy expressing his views in a political arena when he's in one. What better time & place?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rivergallery View Post
    Gloria - was he asked his opinion on gay marriage?
    They were debating the subject of gay marriage yes
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spacers View Post
    He was fired for being a bigot. He basically said that gay people are making a decision that will lead them to hell, and that they shouldn't even have the right to civil union, not even marriage. This wasn't a church conference or a bible discussion. It was a public debate for a secular political office. He could have said something innocuous like the mayor did, about how he doesn't personally believe in gay marriage but has a responsibility to represent all constituents, and he chose not to. He chose instead to gay-bash.
    That is NOT what he said. He said that it is a choice that is up to God to judge. He didn't say they were going to hell. That is the inference that YOU made. But if he did that would make it even MORE true that he is expressing his religious beliefs.
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