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    Quote Originally Posted by freddieflounder101 View Post
    It's nice that you want to ruin someone's wedding cake, though, and publicly make them feel crappy about being in love and forming a union and a family. Is that protected under your religious beliefs too?
    If they are going to sue someone for not agreeing with them, then no I wouldn't feel bad about it at all. There are plenty of places that they could go to who would be glad to serve them, they shouldn't force someone to either go against their beliefs or give up their business.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GloriaInTX View Post
    If they are going to sue someone for not agreeing with them, then no I wouldn't feel bad about it at all. There are plenty of places that they could go to who would be glad to serve them, they shouldn't force someone to either go against their beliefs or give up their business.
    It's not for not agreeing with them. I don't expect the people I buy things from to agree with me about anything.

    When someone refuses you service because of your race, religion, or sexual orientation, you should absolutely call them on it, because it's ILLEGAL.

    They made their own business close by refusing to serve paying customers and illegally discriminating.
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    Quote Originally Posted by freddieflounder101 View Post
    It's not for not agreeing with them. I don't expect the people I buy things from to agree with me about anything.

    When someone refuses you service because of your race, religion, or sexual orientation, you should absolutely call them on it, because it's ILLEGAL.

    They made their own business close by refusing to serve paying customers and illegally discriminating.
    Of course. There goes the idea that Gay marriage doesn't affect anyone else except those who are getting married.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GloriaInTX View Post
    It is not discrimination because according to their religious beliefs it is not a wedding, since a marriage is between a man and a woman. Therefore they should be able to refuse to supply a wedding cake to an event they think is wrong and not a wedding. It is discrimination to force them to do something that is against their religious beliefs. There is absolutely no reason that they would have of forcing their business on someone except for purposely hurting them and persecuting them because or their religious beliefs. If it had been me I would have supplied the cake and put a black frosting X across it and let them pay for it.
    LOL Good luck trying to get someone to pay for a wedding cake with a big black X across it. And how kind of you to want to intentionally ruin someone's cake.

    It really doesn't matter what the baker's beliefs about weddings are. I bet if I wanted to order a wedding cake and I wasn't even getting married (let's say I wanted to do a magazine shoot about fancy cakes), I bet they would let me. It's my dime, right? But all of the sudden, because it's a gay couple, now their beliefs are a big deal. It's called discrimination, pure and simple.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GloriaInTX View Post
    Of course. There goes the idea that Gay marriage doesn't affect anyone else except those who are getting married.
    It only affects you if you make it affect you. They could have sold the cake to the couple like they would any other paying customer. They chose to discriminate against gay people instead.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alissa_Sal View Post
    It only affects you if you make it affect you. They could have sold the cake to the couple like they would any other paying customer. They chose to discriminate against gay people instead.
    Of course. It only affects you if you stand by your religious beliefs instead of just going along with whatever society wants. Some choice. You shouldn't have to choose between your religion and your business. Pure religious discrimination.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GloriaInTX View Post
    There is absolutely no scientific proof that you are born that way. Therefore it is a choice.
    Maybe that's because babies can't talk, and don't have sexualized thoughts. Most gay people I know feel they *were* born that way even if there's no way to scientifically prove it. Just like you can't scientifically prove that you're straight.

    And it's interesting that the only group saying this is straight. You don't find many gay people saying they had a choice in it, and those who do are generally in a religious group that believes discriminating against them is OK.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GloriaInTX View Post
    Of course. It only affects you if you stand by your religious beliefs instead of just going along with whatever society wants. Some choice. You shouldn't have to choose between your religion and your business. Pure religious discrimination.
    Well, this whole thing goes back to our difference of opinion about whether your freedom of religion extends to pushing your religion onto other people. Personally, I think that freedom of religion means that if gay marriage is against your religion, no one should ever ever force you to get gay married. But you don't get to then turn around and say to somone else "You can't get married, or I will discriminate against you." Your freedom of religion only extends to you. Your fist ends where my face begins.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spacers View Post
    Maybe that's because babies can't talk, and don't have sexualized thoughts. Most gay people I know feel they *were* born that way even if there's no way to scientifically prove it. Just like you can't scientifically prove that you're straight.

    And it's interesting that the only group saying this is straight. You don't find many gay people saying they had a choice in it, and those who do are generally in a religious group that believes discriminating against them is OK.
    I think it's very sad that people would prefer to believe that being gay in a homophobic world is a choice that millions of people make, just so they don't have to consider that perhaps their religion is unfair. "Of course it's a choice! Otherwise my religious beliefs would be really mean and unfair. So obviously it MUST be a choice." Very sad.
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    I could call anywhere and ask them for a wedding cake. I could pick it up myself.

    My baker has no right to ask me my religious preferences or why I need this wedding cake.
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