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    Quote Originally Posted by GloriaInTX View Post
    No I haven't given up on it. I still think it is wrong and religious discrimination. I can only repeat the same thing so many times and it becomes a little redundant. Even if the baker doesn't attend the event they are still participating in it by making the food.
    So you're allowed to refuse service to gay people even though it's illegal, and that kind of discrimination is okay?

    I can claim religion as my reason for discriminating against ethnic groups or gay people or other religions, and that's fine, because it's MY religion?

    Can the Jewish baker refuse to bake and sell challah to people who are celebrating Easter? Should that be legal?
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    Quote Originally Posted by GloriaInTX View Post
    I guess you wouldn't have to special order a topper with 2 men or 2 women on top? I don't think that would be something you would stock for a normal wedding.

    This baker not only faces losing his business but actually going to jail.

    Colorado Baker Faces Up to a Year in Jail for Not Baking Cake for Gay Wedding | The Gateway Pundit
    My wedding bakery had the toppers that they had, and if you wanted something else you had to order it yourself, which I think is fair. I don't think any bakery should be forced to find and offer every type of topper anyone could ever want ("I want a Star Wars Topper with my face as Leia and his face as Han Solo!!!") Personally we didn't even have a real cake topper (our cake had a big chocolate bow on top) and none of the weddings I've been to as an adult have featured traditional cake toppers so I can't speak to how often people are even doing cake toppers these days, but I would be fine with any bakery saying "if you want a topper that we don't sell, you need to get it yourself." Again, that's not discrimination.
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    Quote Originally Posted by freddieflounder101 View Post
    I just think there's a difference between ATTENDING an event and preparing something for it in advance.
    Yeah, I can see that. I'm more apt to give the wedding photographer a pass than the baker.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GloriaInTX View Post
    This baker not only faces losing his business but actually going to jail.

    Colorado Baker Faces Up to a Year in Jail for Not Baking Cake for Gay Wedding | The Gateway Pundit
    Good. If you won't bake a cake for *someone* you shouldn't be in the business of baking a cake for anyone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by freddieflounder101 View Post
    Can the Jewish baker refuse to bake and sell challah to people who are celebrating Easter? Should that be legal?
    He should be able to refuse to make a special cake for Easter yes. I'm not sure how they would know what they are buying the challah for, and they would not have to make it special just for that event if that is something they just normally sell, so I don't think its the same thing. It is not a personalized item for a specific event.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GloriaInTX View Post
    He should be able to refuse to make a special cake for Easter yes. I'm not sure how they would know what they are buying the challah for, and they would not have to make it special just for that event if that is something they just normally sell, so I don't think its the same thing. It is not a personalized item for a specific event.
    NO no, the wedding bakers make WEDDING CAKES. It is something they normally sell and bake.

    What if they don't agree with mixed-race weddings? Can they refuse to make a cake for them? Klan members have always used religion and the name of God to explain their actions....you can claim religion for pretty much anything.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spacers View Post
    Good. If you won't bake a cake for *someone* you shouldn't be in the business of baking a cake for anyone.
    I guess that is why we are supposed to believe that gay marriage isn't going to affect anyone who isn't in a gay marriage. Right you will just have to choose between your religious beliefs and supporting your family and going to prison if you don't agree with it. Glad again I live in Texas while you tell me again that it won't affect anyone that isn't gay married.
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    Quote Originally Posted by freddieflounder101 View Post
    NO no, the wedding bakers make WEDDING CAKES. It is something they normally sell and bake.

    What if they don't agree with mixed-race weddings? Can they refuse to make a cake for them? Klan members have always used religion and the name of God to explain their actions....you can claim religion for pretty much anything.
    Race is NOT the same thing. That argument doesn't work for me because I don't believe you are born gay.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GloriaInTX View Post
    He should be able to refuse to make a special cake for Easter yes. I'm not sure how they would know what they are buying the challah for, and they would not have to make it special just for that event if that is something they just normally sell, so I don't think its the same thing. It is not a personalized item for a specific event.
    Wedding cakes are something that this bakery normally sells. I don't see why it matters who is buying this:



    They're pretty. They're also just cake. Selling one doesn't mean "I agree with everyone who eats this cake." It's just a cake, made for paying customers, just like all of the paying customers that bought a cake the day before, and all of the paying customers that bought a cake the day after.

    Should grocery stores also get to not sell groceries to gay couples? Gas stations get to not sell gas to gay people? Energy companies not sell energy to gay families? It's just ridiculous. Live and let live. Treat paying customers as paying customers, and stop trying to be control freaks about their personal lives.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GloriaInTX View Post
    I guess that is why we are supposed to believe that gay marriage isn't going to affect anyone who isn't in a gay marriage. Right you will just have to choose between your religious beliefs and supporting your family and going to prison if you don't agree with it. Glad again I live in Texas while you tell me again that it won't affect anyone that isn't gay married.
    There's no such thing as "gay married". There's married, or not married.

    And the argument isn't that it has zero impact. It's that it doesn't affect THE MARRIAGE of other people. It's not a threat to marriage, not it's something you'll never see or notice or face in your life.

    My dad's marriage doesn't affect mine or yours one iota.
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