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    Quote Originally Posted by Alissa_Sal View Post
    Wedding cakes are something that this bakery normally sells. I don't see why it matters who is buying this:

    They're pretty. They're also just cake. Selling one doesn't mean "I agree with everyone who eats this cake." It's just a cake, made for paying customers, just like all of the paying customers that bought a cake the day before, and all of the paying customers that bought a cake the day after.

    Should grocery stores also get to not sell groceries to gay couples? Gas stations get to not sell gas to gay people? Energy companies not sell energy to gay families? It's just ridiculous. Live and let live. Treat paying customers as paying customers, and stop trying to be control freaks about their personal lives.
    If it was just a cake how would they even know what event it was for? They specifically told them it was for a gay wedding. If they just came in and ordered a cake they wouldn't have known. If a gay person came in and ordered a birthday cake they wouldn't refuse them because they are gay. It is not who they are it is the event it is for.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GloriaInTX View Post
    If it was just a cake how would they even know what event it was for? They specifically told them it was for a gay wedding. If they just came in and ordered a cake they wouldn't have known. If a gay person came in and ordered a birthday cake they wouldn't refuse them because they are gay. It is not who they are it is the event it is for.
    The event is a wedding. Who they are is a couple in which both people are the same gender.

    They sell wedding cakes for weddings. Period.

    Can I refuse to serve dinner to a gay couple because it's a "gay dinner"? No!

    And I think most people who are planning weddings talk about the person they're marrying, there's usually some excitement attached to some things.
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    Quote Originally Posted by freddieflounder101 View Post
    There's no such thing as "gay married". There's married, or not married.

    And the argument isn't that it has zero impact. It's that it doesn't affect THE MARRIAGE of other people. It's not a threat to marriage, not it's something you'll never see or notice or face in your life.

    My dad's marriage doesn't affect mine or yours one iota.
    Tell that to the baker or photographer who are losing their business and I think they would disagree. That is not what has been said, it has been said that it doesn't affect anyone else. Which is just not true.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GloriaInTX View Post
    Tell that to the baker or photographer who are losing their business and I think they would disagree. That is not what has been said, it has been said that it doesn't affect anyone else. Which is just not true.
    Been said by whom?

    Again, they're losing their business for their discriminatory practices.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GloriaInTX View Post
    Race is NOT the same thing. That argument doesn't work for me because I don't believe you are born gay.
    How about an atheist wedding? Can you refuse atheists?
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    Quote Originally Posted by freddieflounder101 View Post
    Been said by whom?

    Again, they're losing their business for their discriminatory practices.
    Yes. Religious discrimination.
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    Quote Originally Posted by freddieflounder101 View Post
    How about an atheist wedding? Can you refuse atheists?
    Marriage is between a man and a woman. If it is an atheist man and woman then it would still be a marriage. That is according to the state of Colorado where this happened. The gay couple couldn't even get married in the state they ordered a wedding cake for.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GloriaInTX View Post
    Marriage is between a man and a woman. If it is an atheist man and woman then it would still be a marriage. That is according to the state of Colorado where this happened. The gay couple couldn't even get married in the state they ordered a wedding cake for.
    Then it wasn't a wedding! Nothing to object to! Unless the objection is now CELEBRATING a marriage vs. actually having one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GloriaInTX View Post
    If it was just a cake how would they even know what event it was for? They specifically told them it was for a gay wedding. If they just came in and ordered a cake they wouldn't have known. If a gay person came in and ordered a birthday cake they wouldn't refuse them because they are gay. It is not who they are it is the event it is for.
    According to the article I read, the couple came in and started ordering the cake together. I remember doing that with my now husband. We came in together, looked at the pictures of the cakes together, discussed flavors. I'm sure it was obvious that we were the bride and groom. But so what? It was still just a cake. I never sat down with the baker to get to know her and say "Hey, do you like us? Do you think we should get married? Do you approve of our life decisions?" None of that was any of her business. She was just baking the cake. It was just cake.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GloriaInTX View Post
    Marriage is between a man and a woman. If it is an atheist man and woman then it would still be a marriage. That is according to the state of Colorado where this happened. The gay couple couldn't even get married in the state they ordered a wedding cake for.
    They can have a civil union, which should make you happy since it's not called a marriage, right? But I assume you don't care if they eat cake at their civil union ceremony? Even a big fancy cake? Maybe the baker would have been alright with it if they had made it clear "This is a CIVIL UNION cake for our CIVIL UNION WEDDING."
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