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    Did you watch it? How did you feel about your candidate's performance? Did it affect your vote for either candidate or was your mind already made up?
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    I watched part of it. It did not really change my mind one way or the other.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GloriaInTX View Post
    Did you watch it? How did you feel about your candidate's performance? Did it affect your vote for either candidate or was your mind already made up?
    I agree with what a lot of the news articles are saying. Mitt "Won" that debate and Obama was off his game. He didn't discuss or bring up a lot of things that he should have. He let Romney get away with saying some things that he shouldn't have. And i agree with one of the commentators....Obama looked tired, exhausted, while Romney looked eager to be there and ready to get his message out.

    Aside from plowing through Lehrer's requests to stop discussions and move on, Mitt didn't come off as quite as obnoxious as he usually does to me. Say i didn't know anything about him and had never heard of him before. Listening to him last night, i would have come away simply thinking that I don't agree with his policies or methods for fixing things but he seems passionate and ready to try. Not "wow, this guy is obnoxious and out of touch and i don't trust him to be ready to care for the people who need it the most"

    All that being said, no, it doesn't change who i would vote for at all. A)I just don't agree with his approach on how to fix things. B)I DO know more about him and the things he has done outside of the debate and C)Just like Obama called him on last night, he won't tell you 'how' he's going to do a lot of it, just swears he is...and that was still evident in a lot of things last night, even with how well he did.

    If Romney could present himself like he did last night all the time, i probably wouldn't hate him so much, he'd just be another candidate that i really just don't agree with and thats all.

    I probably won't be around much to respond....it is the beginning of a crazy weekend for me, but had to throw my opinion out there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KimPossible View Post
    Just like Obama called him on last night, he won't tell you 'how' he's going to do a lot of it, just swears he is...and that was still evident in a lot of things last night, even with how well he did.
    But isn't that how Obama got elected? Preaching on Hope & Change, without any real specifics on how he was going to accomplish that?
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    I wasn't able to watch as much as I wanted. For some reason the kids wanted dinner on the table and to be tucked into bed rather than witness democracy in action. I was pleasantly surprised that Romney held his own pretty well and didn't make a complete *** of himself like he has on so many recent occasions. Kudos to his trainers. I was not surprised by how few details he had about what he actually plans to do. There were a number of times where I wanted to hear specifics and only heard rhetoric. Obama, I thought, gave a lot more details about his plans although I didn't hear as much about his accomplishments as I wanted. I know this is the first debate and other subjects will be debated in the others, but I really felt like Obama didn't sell himself quite as well as he should. I don't think this debate would sway anyone who had already decided, and I hope that anyone who thinks they were swayed by one candidate or the other would do some fact checking because I know Romney was lying or at best stretching the truth to a thread a number of times.

    Two things that Romney said that I really wished Obama would have jumped on. First, Romney said he's going to create 12 million new jobs. Yeah, well, both Moody's and Macroeconomics have projected that our country is going to create 12 million new jobs no matter who is elected president, and the Congressional Budget Office has projected about 10 million jobs no matter who is elected president. Romney made it seem like those jobs will only happen if he's elected, which is not the case. Obama really should have said more about that. And Romney claimed that the major difference between Obamacare and the Massachusetts program was that "we didn't raise taxes to pay for it." He's right that *he* didn't raise taxes, but taxes *have* been raised since he left office to pay for that program. And actually, the federal government is picking up a greater percentage of that program's cost than the state of Mass. is! I was nearly yelling at my TV for Obama to nail Romney on those two things but he didn't.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GloriaInTX View Post
    But isn't that how Obama got elected? Preaching on Hope & Change, without any real specifics on how he was going to accomplish that?
    Obama had a very detailed platform in 2008, certainly better than anything we've seen from Romney. Below is copied from a blog posting dated Feb 13, 2008.

    Here is Obama's platform for the 2008 election on the most central issues in the United States today, according to the Boston Herald.
    Education
    1. He opposes vouchers being used at private schools because he believes they undermine public schools.
    2. Calls for higher pay for teachers and pay based on merit as well.

    Healthcare
    Fully supports a universal health care plan and has stated that we require a plan with "everybody in, nobody out. A single-payer health care plan, a universal health care plan."

    Taxes
    1. Proposed an $80 million dollar tax cut for the poor and middle class
    2. Spoke out against estate tax cuts

    Budget Deficit
    1. Eliminate tax credits that are no longer useful
    2. Clost corporate tax loophole
    3. Restore the PAYGO policy, which does not allow federal spending without a plan to make up for lost revenue.

    Foreign Policy
    1. Hopes to bring a "responsible" end to the war in Iraq as soon as possible.
    2. Rebuild and construct alliances worldwide in order to battle such problems as global warming
    3. Invest in "humanity" by providing foreign aid.
    4. Called for an expansion on the United States Armed Forces

    Immigration
    1. Implement a guest worker program, providing a path towards citizenship for all undocumented workers.
    2. Supports granting drivers licenses to illegal immigrants
    3. Voted for the Secure Fence Act, which would allow 700 miles of fence to be built along the United States-Mexico border.

    Abortion
    1. Abortions should be legal according to Roe vs. Wade.
    2. Female contraceptives should be covered by health insurance

    Gun Control
    1. Ban the sale or transfer of semi-automatic weapons while increasing restrictions on purchasing of firearms.
    2. Supports child-safety locks on firearms.

    Iraq
    1. Introduced the Iraq War De-Escalation Act of 2007, which calls for a limit on the number of troops in Iraq, wit the hopes of removing all troops by March 31,2008.
    2. He has stated that "no amount of American soldiers can solve the political differences at the heart of somebody else's civil war."
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    I have to say I was pleasantly surprised. Romney has never been my favorite candidate, though I did plan to back him anyway, so I wasn't expecting much. I thought he did a great job and I was shocked that MSNBC and some of the other media that usually back Obama really couldn't even spin it any other way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GloriaInTX View Post
    I have to say I was pleasantly surprised. Romney has never been my favorite candidate, though I did plan to back him anyway, so I wasn't expecting much. I thought he did a great job and I was shocked that MSNBC and some of the other media that usually back Obama really couldn't even spin it any other way.
    I totally agree, and thought he was actually specific where he needed to be, corrected misinformation that was out there. And yet also stated his main goal which was creating an environment where business grows. Obama admitted he wants to raise taxes, and I totally disagree with him, so glad he admitted it and I will stay on the Republican side of the aisle.
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    Obama said he wants to raise taxes on the ultra-rich. I see nothing wrong with that since their effective tax rate would still generally be lower than most middle-class and lower-class Americans, and even many upper-class Americans. That's because you can't shelter money from income taxes if you need it to live on.

    Romney OTOH wants any tax increases to be "revenue-neutral," which means that if some taxes are raised, others should be lowered to counter the increase. However, Romney has failed to identify what tax deductions or credits he would eliminate to do this. This reeks of entitlement to me. Rich people wanting to stay rich by not paying their fair share.
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    It wasn't just on the ultra-rich, he also wants to keep and increase taxes on small businesses, and energy taxes and fees and on and on.

    It isn't entitlement.. It is fair. Why should your income determine how much you pay for a service? Oh sorry a loaf a bread for you is free, but for someone else it is $50, and then on the way out they are charged another $10 in fees that they didn't expect (ie capital gains), and then their son when he goes to make a sandwich has to pay another $10 (ie death tax etc). Seriously!
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