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    Quote Originally Posted by GloriaInTX View Post
    Who said ANYTHING about race? If you have 2 people who are applying for job and one is a black U.S. Citizen and the other is a white Canadian who are equally qualified, than I think the U.S. Citizen should get the job. Now tell me how that has ANYTHING to do with race?

    ETA: Do you think only minorities get green cards?
    By race I was referring to ethnentisity. (Sorry I do not know how to spell that and spell check does not understand what I am trying to say.

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    Quote Originally Posted by myyams View Post
    Laurie, side point sort of, but inhumane working conditions in the U.S. cannot ever compare with what's considered inhumane working conditions in some third world countries. I've seen it with my own eyes for the past 13 years. Every time I take my clothes to have them stitched, I see little kids, dishelved, dirty, stitching in neighboring tailor shops, under a small bulb dimly lit, HOT like crazy HOT weather, no fan..etc.etc. But if that little kid doesn't work, their family might not have food. I've seen small kids handmaking bricks in the scorching heat for houses under construction. So...what's someone to do?? take whatever you can get. The answer isn't that simple unfortunately. I've seen kids and adults completely and intentionally disfigured so that they could gain pity from people they begged from in their very professional business of begging. Their own parents twisted their legs backwards when they were little to set them up for what would be their given profession. I could go on, but it is all just very sick. Inhumane is relative. So whatever condition a person who is used to seeing in their third world country looks like a bed or roses in the U.S.

    However, I can't justify saving people from their economy while putting our own people on the streets...
    I know...I wasn't saying they are the same. But I didn't want to pretend that we don't have some inhumane conditions here too. But yes, I know it's horrific in some places, in ways I can't even imagine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GloriaInTX View Post
    If you can get citizenship in 10 years and you have been here 25 years why aren't you a citizen already?
    I got my green card in my 4th year here, and then had to wait at least 5 more to apply. I didn't do so at the time due to cost -- it was too much for a fledgling freelance production assistant. Then it just didn't seem like a big priority, until I had kids. But now the problem is that I am married and because of that, I need a piece of paperwork that I can't seem to get yet. Need to pressure my husband, because I need his divorce certificate from his first marriage, which he doesn't have anymore. It's a hard sell to get him to go stand in line for hours at some courthouse so I can get legal and cancel out all his votes! (ha)

    I have asked him multiple times but it never seems terribly urgent. I can't vote, but I live in a place where I am more or less in the political majority (although I'm not particularly political) and I can work and live here indefinitely.

    But I do plan to get it.

    ADDED: I just looked it up; looks like it's now a lot easier to get the divorce decree! Thanks for the much-needed kick....he won't have to stand in line on a work day.

    ADDING AGAIN: He now DOES have to go to the courthouse, because to get the certificate, you need to know the date of the divorce, which of course he doesn't....because it's on the certificate he doesn't have. Sigh.
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    Quote Originally Posted by freddieflounder101 View Post
    I got my green card in my 4th year here, and then had to wait at least 5 more to apply. I didn't do so at the time due to cost -- it was too much for a fledgling freelance production assistant. Then it just didn't seem like a big priority, until I had kids. But now the problem is that I am married and because of that, I need a piece of paperwork that I can't seem to get yet. Need to pressure my husband, because I need his divorce certificate from his first marriage, which he doesn't have anymore. It's a hard sell to get him to go stand in line for hours at some courthouse so I can get legal and cancel out all his votes! (ha)

    I have asked him multiple times but it never seems terribly urgent. I can't vote, but I live in a place where I am more or less in the political majority (although I'm not particularly political) and I can work and live here indefinitely.

    But I do plan to get it.

    ADDED: I just looked it up; looks like it's now a lot easier to get the divorce decree! Thanks for the much-needed kick....he won't have to stand in line on a work day.
    To me it does not matter whatsoever why you do not have it. You have just as much right to be here and have a job as anyone else. Why you do or do not become a citizen is no one else's business.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AlyssaEimers View Post
    To me it does not matter whatsoever why you do not have it. You have just as much right to be here and have a job as anyone else. Why you do or do not become a citizen is no one else's business.
    It's a valid question, or at least an interesting one. I'm not offended.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AlyssaEimers View Post
    By race I was referring to ethnentisity. (Sorry I do not know how to spell that and spell check does not understand what I am trying to say.
    It has nothing to do with race or ethnicity.
    What is the difference between someone who comes from Germany who has a green card and someone who was born in Germany that is a U.S. citizen? Citizenship is the ONLY difference.
    What is the difference between someone who comes from Nigeria who has a green card and someone who was born in Nigeria that is a U.S. citizen? Citizenship is the ONLY difference.

    A U.S. Citizen with the same qualifications should have preference over a non citizen no matter what race/sex/ethnicity you are.

    It has nothing to do with anything other than the fact that I think the U.S. has a responsibility to put those who were born here or went through the process to get citizenship first.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GloriaInTX View Post
    A U.S. Citizen with the same qualifications should have preference over a non citizen no matter what race/sex/ethnicity you are.

    It has nothing to do with anything other than the fact that I think the U.S. has a responsibility to put those who were born here or went through the process to get citizenship first.
    I disagree. Businesses hands should not be tied telling them who they can hire based on if someone has a green card vs. a citizen.

    As for from a business perspective pertaining to high paid technical jobs, (all numbers are made up) If all of the American's in a field ban together and say that we will not work for anything less than $50 or $60 an hour but Foreigners come in and say that they will work for $20/hr. I would much rather them hire the Foreigners in the US, then for the company to say they can not afford the unreasonably high labor costs and then move their entire company to China or Mexico.

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    Quote Originally Posted by freddieflounder101 View Post
    ADDING AGAIN: He now DOES have to go to the courthouse, because to get the certificate, you need to know the date of the divorce, which of course he doesn't....because it's on the certificate he doesn't have. Sigh.
    Try Googling the ex-wife. If she or anyone close to her has done any genealogy & put it online, you'll probably find the divorce date. You might also be able to do a public records search online if it was within the last X number of years that the county where the divorce was finalized has been digitizing records. Finally, try looking at your own marriage certificate to see if it's there; some states include that if one or both parties has been married before.

    And if you're in the country legally, you should be entitled to any job. Citizenship is a completely different set of rights & responsibilities than employment. If it weren't, then there would be no green card system, no student work visas, nothing like that. You'd have to get immediate citizenship or go hungry, or go back home.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AlyssaEimers View Post
    I disagree. Businesses hands should not be tied telling them who they can hire based on if someone has a green card vs. a citizen.

    As for from a business perspective pertaining to high paid technical jobs, (all numbers are made up) If all of the American's in a field ban together and say that we will not work for anything less than $50 or $60 an hour but Foreigners come in and say that they will work for $20/hr. I would much rather them hire the Foreigners in the US, then for the company to say they can not afford the unreasonably high labor costs and then move their entire company to China or Mexico.

    According to the rules,
    1. There is supposed to be due search diligence done for finding a legally authorized person for the job and offered before sponsoring.
    2. There is not supposed to be the salary difference in between what would be offered to a local person compared with a sponsored person.

    We know though that these two things are not being complied with.
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    Quote Originally Posted by myyams View Post
    According to the rules,
    1. There is supposed to be due search diligence done for finding a legally authorized person for the job and offered before sponsoring.
    2. There is not supposed to be the salary difference in between what would be offered to a local person compared with a sponsored person.

    We know though that these two things are not being complied with.
    Then in force those rules. Do not make it so that legally here people can not get a job. That anyone is actually arguing otherwise is a little mind blowing to me.
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