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    Quote Originally Posted by Potter75 View Post
    I was out, so forgive my brief reply, but I don't really know how to argue that our curriculum is what it is if you simply don't believe me. And the stats from the article you posted weren't so compelling as to make me look like a liar (what on earth do I have to gain from lying???) IMO.
    I don't think you would choose to lie...i simply question what you are basing your belief on. I don't question that you believe it. And of course I believe you that your school district doesn't teach cursive. Its this statement that I questioned:

    and has pretty much been abandoned in the tri state area.
    Thats a lot of school districts to know about.

    Anyway, i don't think its bad parenting to not want ones kids to learn cursive...i actually think there is a point where we really won't need to teach it at all. I'm just saying I don't feel comfortable at this point saying that we've reached that point in time. I'd like to see it really gone from all aspects of life before i said 'its time'. If i thought there was no chance of my kids receiving a cursive written letter during their adulthood, i'd probably not care. Is it a huge deal to not be able to read some things here or there? No...I think its a lot better if they could.

    And I think this notion that its taking away from precious time learning other things is a bit exaggerated in my opinion. I think to teach it and retain it...three years somewhere between the grades of 3 and 6 are probably enough to actually learn it and retain it. I look at my daughter's education so far and just can't see myself, years ahead when she's graduating from high school being that concerned that her education was somehow hurt by spending those hours way back then learning cursive.. Or that it would prevent her from being innovative, a forward thinker or deter her from being interested in modern technology or something. I just don't see it, for her or any other kid. Not worried about that.

    In the end, i really think its no big deal whichever side of the argument you stand on. It comes down to a piddly preference.

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    Well ~ I mean ~ it is either time spent on cursive or time spent on something else, that is simple logic. And while, no, you probably won't be concerned at high school graduation..........when asked a question: do I personally see value in learning this, I personally answered the question. no, I don't.

    As stated, if others find value in it I fully support them learning it and I do not believe that their child is in any way condemned to failure.....so to act as though my debate point is in any way stating that I am saying kids who do learn cursive can NOT be forward thinkers or not be interested in modern technology is to misrepresent my position grossly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Potter75 View Post
    Well ~ I mean ~ it is either time spent on cursive or time spent on something else, that is simple logic. And while, no, you probably won't be concerned at high school graduation..........when asked a question: do I personally see value in learning this, I personally answered the question. no, I don't.

    As stated, if others find value in it I fully support them learning it and I do not believe that their child is in any way condemned to failure.....so to act as though my debate point is in any way stating that I am saying kids who do learn cursive can NOT be forward thinkers or not be interested in modern technology is to misrepresent my position grossly.
    I'm not trying to misrepresent your position. I do wonder exactly what it is we would replace it with truthfully. If anything, the thing i felt they were missing out of the most was PE at my younger kids' school. They only go once a week and i wish they went twice a week. But that's a resource issue. We share a PE teacher with the other elem. school in our district. Cutting something out to make room for PE wouldn't work. The suggestion was that the time could be used more effectively..ultimately to achieve something i would imagine, if it were not for the reasons i speculated. and I guess i think at the grade school level its not that ineffective use of time and resources...assuming a child's school already spends a lot of time focused on important subjects.

    I actually loved handwriting when i was in grade school. It was actually kind of a therapeutic time of day and that in itself is beneficial. I think that subject is going to be different for everyone. But i don't think reducing variety and tacking more time on to other subjects that already have adequate focus is nec. beneficial in any way either. The therapeutic/variety thing alone is probably not enough to keep a subject around, but like i said, i don't think cursive is completely dead yet...plus the stuff Jen mentioned.

    Anyway, i'm about spent on this subject. I don't really think there is enough meat for me to chew on any further!

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    To answer another question, short hand is taught but as far as I know it's typically only taught in a secretarial arts class (and yes that exists)
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    To the question of what else do we teach... The most obvious answer is typing, except that pretty much all the neuroscientists agree that 3rd graders not only don't have the proper brain wiring, hand-eye coordination, or accurate spelling & grammar to do well with typing, but that pushing that skill too early actually hampers other learning. The digital native generation is disadvantaged by biology! And, as others have presented here, there *is* a lot of evidence that learning cursive promotes and supports other learning because the brain processes it differently than printed language. The 3rd grade brain can handle cursive, and learning cursive helps the 3rd grade brain work better, learn better. And no, Melissa, the fine motor skills and neural pathways do not seem to be stimulated by other things in the same ways. I wish I could find the PDF that went around about this last year. It was put together by a public school dad who is a neuroscientist and had some fascinating information. Here's what Psychology Today wrote about the issue recently:

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    Like Kim, I'm done with this- but nothing on earth could convince me that the single only way a brain could develop is to learn cursive. History just proves otherwise. I mean- its silly. Generations of amazing brilliant people existed before (and will exist after) cursive. Cursive will be but a blip on the human experience- and the race will go on. I have total confidence. Maybe my brain is just unable to grasp all this as I've been mostly printing for 20? Years now

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    Just an FYI, we are in the tri-state area public schools and they teach cursive here. My son is learning it.
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    I went back to find the article I based that statement on ( as obvs I wouldn't make a statement like that without having kids in other areas) and it was using de pa and nj as tri state in this case. I'm on my phone but if you google pa and cursive it's like the first or second that comes up- a pro cursive opinion piece from a nj teacher bemoaning its disappearance from what she defined as the tri state area. Hth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Potter75 View Post
    I went back to find the article I based that statement on ( as obvs I wouldn't make a statement like that without having kids in other areas) and it was using de pa and nj as tri state in this case. I'm on my phone but if you google pa and cursive it's like the first or second that comes up- a pro cursive opinion piece from a nj teacher bemoaning its disappearance from what she defined as the tri state area. Hth.
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    I use a combination that is mostly cursive but has some print letters. I feel that it is very important to be able to write clearly by hand. What will happen when your computer, tablet, phone etc dies and you need to write something? I don't care if it is print or cursive, but everyone needs to be able to write in a way that is readable.
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