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Fluff - Two (or more) middle names

I read weird things on my phone when I'm nursing at 4 am. I don't know how, I just always end up looking at the most random things on the internet at that time of day. Anyway this morning I was looking at a baby naming forum (I don't belong to this forum and am not that interested in baby names now that mine has one - random!), and one of the things that I noticed was that at least half of the posters were posting names that had more than one middle name. Example: Katherine Elizabeth Anne Smith, or Kai Jonas Edward Mitchell Rogers. This led me to google. Is this A Thing? Are people doing multiple middle names now? Apparently it's always been a thing in Europe (and I knew it's a thing in some Hispanic cultures), and I guess it's also a thing among "the upper classes" so it's now trickling down to the rest of us. So, thoughts on the multiple middle name phenomenon? Classy? Fun? Overkill?

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Total pet peeve of mine. Make up your flipping mind - 4 names is annoying.

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Our kids have an extra thing in their names. They have Dave's last name, so they each have my last name as a middle name, but they also have a middle initial (just an initial). It represents their womb nickname, but we've told them they can tell people whatever they want about it. It's weird, I know.

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"freddieflounder101" wrote:

Our kids have an extra thing in their names. They have Dave's last name, so they each have my last name as a middle name, but they also have a middle initial (just an initial). It represents their womb nickname, but we've told them they can tell people whatever they want about it. It's weird, I know.

I actually think that sounds neat because it means something, and is not just that you liked too many names to choose or wanted to sound too-too. Smile

I admit that my response this morning was crotchety and probably heavily influenced by the fact that it was 4 am and I was tired. I was basically like "Oh you fancy, huh?" LOL Now that I've gotten a bit more sleep and had a shower, I think that I guess it doesn't really matter because there are so few times when you actually need to use your middle name. I have a middle name, but I only use it if something like a form specifically asks for it. So I guess sure, if you really want, do it up, have a bunch. It probably doesn't matter. All of those syllables sound like too much to my ear, but I realize that's just a personal preference.

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In general, I'm not a fan. I've known 1 person in real life that did it and while it was for sentimental reasons (his mom and grandma who had passed) I thought it was overkill.

I'm much more fond of 1 middle name.

I would rather a kid have 2 middle names vs. a first name that the parents are spelling "creatively".

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The S in Harry S. Truman was just an initial. My grandfather was sad that he didn't have a middle name, so he added an initial too. Funny.

I do agree it can be a bit much although in some families it's just tradition. Our is semi-annoying, I know, but we like it and the kids have yet to complain. It doesn't even come up!

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The one that is annoying to me is, my oldest sister had 5 boys, when she had the 5th she had her tubes tied and so decided that she needed to use all the male "J" names that she did not get to use in the past. Her boys are:

Joel Ashley
Jeremy Justin
Jordan Jan-Michael (Jan-Michael was after his dad and uncle who died as a baby)
Jesse Cody Douglas (two of my sisters were pregnant at the same time, the one who had her baby first used my dad's middle name as a middle name so my sister decided that she had to include my dad's first name...the babies were 6 weeks apart)
Joshua Jacob James (because she could not choose which "J" name to use....)

the last 2 boys are with her second husband, so that may be the reasoning for the double middle names?

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Not really on my radar to be annoyed with the middle names (or first names) people choose to give their children. I always just assume people have reasons that they want to give more then one middle name, or no middle name, or just an initial.

My BFF has a DD with 2 middle names. Julia for my friends sister that had died as a child and Ann for some other family member. All three of her names flow together really well so it sounds great when Rach is calling for her

Jessica, I do get a little annoyed with unique spelling. I had a student this year that was Taylor, but her parents spelled it very different and she had the hardest time learning to write it

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My dad's got 2 middle names, and my oldest nephew does too. Other than that we're a one middle name kind of family. I don't really care how many middle names other people have. It's not like we go around calling people by all their names anyway. My only thing when we were deciding on names for our kids is that they were a fairly common spelling and that their middle names went well with their first and last names. Maybe some families are so steeped in the tradition of passing down family names there's basically no way around 2 or more middle names. I wouldn't like that.

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The crazy spellings drive me nuts too, especially when they spell a common name in such a weird way that you don't know how to pronounce it, and then it turns out it's something simple, like "Karen".

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I really do not care what other people name their children. It is a special give a parent gives their child.

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"AlyssaEimers" wrote:

I really do not care what other people name their children. It is a special give a parent gives their child.

True, but I do get angry when people make up their own spellings of names and then get angry that there is no personalized items for their child. My DH's cousin is like that, she made up a spelling of Erica and gets mad at anyone who spells it wrong and rages because she can't buy a cup or whatever with Airyka's name on it.

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I have two middle names Smile But they are made into one. It is EmmaLynn after my two aunts. None of my kids have 2 middle names though, in fact, I dont think anyone in our family does. Both our boys have last names for middle names though....which I have actually found leads to confusion sometimes.

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Sometimes it's a curse a parent gives their child. Smile

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My son has two middle names, he is named after his two great grand fathers and my brother. the first names of both great grandfathers which are the middle names of my brother. My Grandad had passed a few months before I fell pregnant. I did consider adding a second middle name to our chosen girls name to honour my Nanna who passed away on Christmas day, but it is then way too long (Abigail Jacqueline Florence).

I'm pretty much everything most people seem to hate in naming for DS though, we have an alternative spelling of his first name as well, but it's a legitimate spelling just from another culture

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I think there is a difference between alternate spellings and cre8tive spellings. Smile Someone I know (but don't like very much) recently indicated that she thought it was dumb that we didn't spell our son's name "Reed" because "Reid" is "harder." True, but Reid is the legitimate Scottish spelling of it, and a "reed" is a plant that lives by water. Smile I don't mind alternative spellings unless they get too wacky. Sorry, but "Airyka" is a bit over the top. Smile

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It's only the made-up spellings that drive me nuts. I like interesting spellings from other places. I remember the first time I met a Siobhan, it took me forever to remember how to say it and now it seems totally normal to me, and fairly common.

Airyka is fine if you don't mind correcting people a lot and don't expect to find personalized things in souvenir stores.

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I thought I used a common spelling for Corinne...but everyone pronounces it "Car-een" or what to spell it Corrine. Which to me, is
"Car-een". So I guess I used an alternate spelling although I always knew it to be the right spelling haha.

Alternate is fine. Made up is another. And adding double letters when there is no need for it. Using Ks for Cs (I knew a Jessika and a Jessicah. Both names not cool.)

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Yeah, in the grand scheme of things its not something that keeps me up at night or anything......I just like monograms a lot and ....well, you know. And I think that marriage already presents enough challenges to a woman (like, drop her middle or keep her maiden)....that I can't even imagine what happens when 5 names enter the debacle.

Super not fan of made up names. I have a friend who named her daughter her maiden name. Ryker. The following kid was Piper (they rhyme, to me). We were all worried that the next one would be diaper. The worst ever IMO were the twins named Atom and Zero.

Zero. Ones name would be ZERO. I'll take the heat. I don't care. That is awful.

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While we're airing our name grievances, and not to offend, but I don't like same initials for names in the family. Too cutesy for me. Like Melissa, it doesn't keep me up all night but it isn't my thing. I was concerned for a hot minute that Corinne and dh share an initial.

Ryker is odd. Maiden name or not.

I saw the name Pieper the other day. Just call her Piper please. It's different enough as it is.

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So the kids with two middle names - what do they do when they're filling out paper work and have to supply a middle name? Usually there is only one box, so do they just pick their favorite?

I'm not a huge fan of it, but like others I won't lose sleep over it. But the made-up names/purposely spelled in odd ways do bug me.

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"Alissa_Sal" wrote:

I think there is a difference between alternate spellings and cre8tive spellings. Smile Someone I know (but don't like very much) recently indicated that she thought it was dumb that we didn't spell our son's name "Reed" because "Reid" is "harder." True, but Reid is the legitimate Scottish spelling of it, and a "reed" is a plant that lives by water. Smile I don't mind alternative spellings unless they get too wacky. Sorry, but "Airyka" is a bit over the top. Smile

Airyka is over the top and she gets mad when people spell it wrong. I have to look it up everytime... DH uses the Irish spelling of Sean, he was going to be named Paul and then he was born on his cousin John's birthday so my MIL figured she needed to name him John. There were too many "John"s already in the family so she went with the Irish version of John. Funny thing, I am the one with the Irish heritage, DH is Scottish.

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"Jessica80" wrote:

I thought I used a common spelling for Corinne...but everyone pronounces it "Car-een" or what to spell it Corrine. Which to me, is
"Car-een". So I guess I used an alternate spelling although I always knew it to be the right spelling haha.

I would pronounce Corinne as Core-een. Am I wrong?

My SIL still can not spell Margaret and she has been married to my brother for 24 years! She will spell it Margarette, Margerat, and a few others. Whenever I get a card from her there is at least 3 different spellings all incorrect. I just laugh at it.

The creative spelling mess me up with my dyslexia. I gave my niece heck for spelling her daughter's name Jordyn (and Jordyn is named for one the "J" boys I mentioned earlier), she just laughed at me.

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We pronounce it "Ca-rinne" and everyone I've ever met with that name spelled it the way we do. Everyone I've met named "Careen" spells it differently.

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Most forms I fill in just have a line for middle name, my brother has never had any difficulties. Most things he gets just have S____ F____ Surname and don't add in the second, or use the initials for the two middle names so S____ F N surname.

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Zero?!? OMG that's sooooo mean. Atom is kind of weird, but at least it kind of sounds like Adam. Zero is just....mean.

I would pronounce Corinne like "Core-inn." Is that right?

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That's how Elizabeth says it Alissa :). It is the real way but I'm from Mass...so the R isn't strong. Smile

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"Alissa_Sal" wrote:

Zero?!? OMG that's sooooo mean. Atom is kind of weird, but at least it kind of sounds like Adam. Zero is just....mean.

I would pronounce Corinne like "Core-inn." Is that right?

This is also how I've heard Corinne, and pronounce it the same way.

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My BFF's family has a tradition where all of the women have 3 middle names. The first and third middles names must rhyme. To me, it's excessive and seems to cause more of a headache (i.e. birth certificates, any document requiring full name) than necessary. Of course, to their family it's tradition and its something special the girls share. It works for them, but I myself am a fan of simple First Middle Last.
Super ridiculous and/or crazy spellings for names make my eye twitch.

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My son is Conner (with an er) and I have been told it is spelled 'wrong' before. Honestly though, in my post partom haze, I just spelled it like I thought it should be. DD is Arianna (Are-ee-anna) and everyone always says it wrong. We tried and tried to find a better spelling though, and just couldnt.

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"Alissa_Sal" wrote:

I think there is a difference between alternate spellings and cre8tive spellings. Smile Someone I know (but don't like very much) recently indicated that she thought it was dumb that we didn't spell our son's name "Reed" because "Reid" is "harder." True, but Reid is the legitimate Scottish spelling of it, and a "reed" is a plant that lives by water. Smile I don't mind alternative spellings unless they get too wacky. Sorry, but "Airyka" is a bit over the top. Smile

Reid is the way to spell it, IMO. Wink Actually, when I was preggers with Ben and we were going up to our land north of the city we would always pass by this amazing 100 year farm, and on the side of the road was a big sign that says "REID - 100 Year Farm" and I just fell in love with that name. Smile I also liked Lee as a middle name, but Reid goes better with our last name and I just think it's rad. And like you said, there are some names that have more than one acceptable spelling. Claire's middle name is Isabelle, but it's also spelled Isabel. I just thought Isabelle was prettier. Same with Claire - it's also spelled Clare, but I think that her spelling is more common.

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"ftmom" wrote:

My son is Conner (with an er) and I have been told it is spelled 'wrong' before. Honestly though, in my post partom haze, I just spelled it like I thought it should be. DD is Arianna (Are-ee-anna) and everyone always says it wrong. We tried and tried to find a better spelling though, and just couldnt.

If someone said your DD's name to me I would spell it exactly the way you spell it.

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"Jessica80" wrote:

While we're airing our name grievances, and not to offend, but I don't like same initials for names in the family. Too cutesy for me. Like Melissa, it doesn't keep me up all night but it isn't my thing. I was concerned for a hot minute that Corinne and dh share an initial.

Ryker is odd. Maiden name or not.

I saw the name Pieper the other day. Just call her Piper please. It's different enough as it is.

I dont like the same initials either. We ended up with the same first letter kind of on accident and then kind of felt obligated to do it with DD3. We had planned on Natalie or Julia for DD2 and on the way to the hospital in between contractions I told Dh her name was going to be Morgan Lee. He says he was not going to argue with me at that time. It worked out though, her name really suits her

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After Caitlyn was born I realised it was not a common spelling of the name. It is most common either with a K or Caitlin, but Caitlyn was how it was spelled in the baby name book we were using so that is what we went with. Having a very unusual name I wanted my girls to have normal names. DH's name though is on the top 10 American names for all time and wanted normal names, but not so there would be a ton of them.

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"ftmom" wrote:

My son is Conner (with an er) and I have been told it is spelled 'wrong' before. Honestly though, in my post partom haze, I just spelled it like I thought it should be. DD is Arianna (Are-ee-anna) and everyone always says it wrong. We tried and tried to find a better spelling though, and just couldnt.

So my point here, that I totally skipped cause the kids were bugging me, is that even when you try you sometimes get names that dont 'work' for everyone. We actually put a lot of effort into picking names that would be easy to pronounce, spelled the way they sound, but not to common, etc. And we ended up with DD who no one pronounces right (and to make it worse, we call her Ari, which is a boys name, adding to the confusion), and DS who has one of the most common boys names, but spelled 'wrong'. I think we finally got it right with Trent Smile

Funny story, we were at DH's work's Christmas party last year, and Santa mispronounced Ari's name. She stood up and corrected him before she went to get her present Smile It was really funny for all the parents. I was proud though, cause I have been trying to teach her to correct people when they get it wrong. She used to be shy about doing it and possibly offending them, but I explained that the longer they call her the wrong name the more embarrassed people will be when they find out how to really say it. Obviously it worked. I also frequently have little girls in her kindergarten class correct me when I call her Ari, because her name is Arianna.

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"ftmom" wrote:

her name is Arianna.

I love that name. Brianna was almost an Arianna.

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For those that think that giving kids the same initial is too cutesy, how "precious" is this? My parents had two kids....Alissa and Alex.

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"Alissa_Sal" wrote:

For those that think that giving kids the same initial is too cutesy, how "precious" is this? My parents had two kids....Alissa and Alex.

Ha ha. I think they are thinking more along the lines of the Duggars. Well, at least 4 or 5 with the same initial. Smile

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I am ok with cutesy. My girls are Alyssa, Brianna, Cailyn. ABC. A and B just happened to be that way. C we thought would be fun. It has been helpful to others though that do not know us that well to remember which child is which.

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We have a local family that had 8 kids, and now all 8 still live here along with their families so everyone kind of knows them. The have Gary, Harry, Sheri, Teri, Larry, Mary and Kevin.

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Haha! The rhyming thing is funny. My mom and my aunt are twins, and they are Tamara and Pamara. Not Pamela. Pamara. They go by Tammy and Pammy.

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Yeah, I knew twins Tania and Tonya. The thing I didn't get was why one had an 'i' and the other was a 'y'. So weird. Like, you give your kids practically identical names but you just have to change one letter.

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Okay, a few things and not bothering to quote.

I have two siblings that did the same first initial thing. I hate it, I stubble over the kids names all the time. My sister has 5 "J" sons, my brother has 6 "M" daughters,

Clair/Clare: here the more common spelling is Clare due to French influence and that is the French spelling.

Conner/Connor/Conor: I am familiar with these 3 spellings they may be more, I take it like I do Sean/Shawn/Shaun, you still know what the name is even if it is spelled differently.

ABC names: I used to babysit triplets, their names were Austin, Rebecca, Connor - the nurses loved it, as that was their birth order Austin, Becca, Connor. It was not planned that way but still cool.

Robbie's best friend in school is Shawn, his parents names are Shawn and Margaret. So we laugh about the best friends have their parents having the same first names.

eta: I would always ask for spellings of names.

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We have a lot of Js in our family but it's just because the names were very liked. My dad is Joel, my brother is Jeff, his daughter is Jessica, my other brother has a Jacob, and I have a Juliet! My sister married a James. Funny.

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Dh and I have the same first initial, but we never considered naming the boys all "C" names. I went with fairly traditional names, and surprisingly Thomas and Nathan haven't run into that many boys with the same name. Matt....can't say the same for him Lol . This year he had 3 Matthews in his class.

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Kyla, it is funny that you run into people that think you spelled your Conner wrong. I had a Connor this year and his mom says everyone told her she spelled it wrong.

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People will always spell names wrong....as long as you don't get mad about it it's all good. I'm Laurie, people spell it Lori. Nathaniel gets Nathanial, Juliet gets Juliette. Only Dave always gets his spelled right!

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I have two middle names and it is frustrating, especially since I moved to Asia where no one has any. So before I changed my name on marriage I would have my whole name called out in doctor's waiting rooms and whatnot.

That being said, my name is so common that without the extra name I was mistaken for other people all the time when I lived in the west.

My kids don't have middle names. I wanted to give them some, but there is no way to register one on their birth certificates, so any middle name would have been a double first name, like Bobbie-Jo, which is not my style.

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When I have a form to fill out with the kids' names, I usually just use their initial for their middle name. Occasionally there's room for the whole thing. I liked giving them my last name as a middle name too, though, it's a way to make my name a part of them too. My brother's kids have his wife's last name as a middle name and I thought it was a nice idea.

When my brother was little, he was in preschool with a Monk (for Thelonius) and a Texas.

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I recently read baby names for twins...both shared the same middle name with different spellings. One was Abigail and the other Abigaelle. So weird.

A few years ago there was a kid born locally named Danger. That was too wacky for me.

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