Football games: String cheese and Hummus?

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Football games: String cheese and Hummus?

Is no soft drinks or popcorn at football games going too far?

Attention high school football fans in Maine: B.Y.O.C. ? Bring your own Coke.

The Portland Public School system will no longer allow soft drinks to be sold on school property ? including at high school football games. School officials are also banning the sale of gridiron staples like buttered popcorn and potato chips.

Instead, football fans will be encouraged to nosh on baked tortilla chips, reduced fat string cheese and hummus.

The total ban on the sale of soft drinks is part of a new policy governing the sales of healthy foods and beverages, said Chanda Turner, Portland?s school health coordinator.

?We?re taking it to another level,? Turner told Fox News. ?We?re not going to sell soda and it doesn?t matter who it?s to.?

School Bans Coca-Cola at Football Games | FOX News & Commentary: Todd Starnes

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I have no problem with it. Being on school property means following the school's rules. I'm glad to see this, because I hate it when football gets to break rules just because it pulls in money. You shouldn't be allowed to bring in soda, either, that just defeats the purpose of the ban which is to establish healthier habits for the kids.

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I don't mind if pop (chips, nachos, etc) are sold at sporting events (as long as the cup size is under 20oz Wink )

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What Stacey said. I like it.

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"kris_w" wrote:

I don't mind if pop (chips, nachos, etc) are sold at sporting events (as long as the cup size is under 20oz Wink )

Ah, but then what's stopping someone from buying 2 or 3 smaller sizes? Wink

jj y'all.

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I should add too that I wouldn't be all up in arms if they did only serve hummus and water. Healthy food. Good for them. Nachos and pop for a treat, also fine.

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Yeah, i mean i don't *personally* care to ban soda and junk food from football games, but i don't care that they did either. I see obvious benefits to it and that seems to be a really silly thing to criticize someone for.

I mean no one complains when a restaurant opens and wants to only offer healthy food. Don't see why a school is obligated to sell junk anywhere or at any time.

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^^Totally agree. I think the kids can go one night a week without soda and chips if that is part of their regular diet (which it shouldn't be anyway.) Good for them for trying to make healthier choices more mainstream.

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"KimPossible" wrote:

Yeah, i mean i don't *personally* care to ban soda and junk food from football games, but i don't care that they did either. I see obvious benefits to it and that seems to be a really silly thing to criticize someone for.

I mean no one complains when a restaurant opens and wants to only offer healthy food. Don't see why a school is obligated to sell junk anywhere or at any time.

I am wishing for a gluten-free restaurant. Like, all the place serves is GF. Yeah, GF sections in grocery stores are all well and good, but I want someone else to cook it for a change. I would love to go in to a restaurant and not have to worry that one teeny little ingredient will send me running to the can.

Sorry for the tangent.

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We have a completely GF bakery by our house that also serves sandwiches and stuff. If you're ever in Denver, look me up, we'll do lunch. Smile

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"Claire'sMommy" wrote:

What Stacey said. I like it.

Totally embarrassed to admit this, but which one of you is Stacey?

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I am. Smile

And Lisa (ClairesMommy) if you're ever in San Francisco, I'll set you up with a bunch of wonderful places that serve gluten-free menus.

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I have no issues with them not serving it, but I think they should allow it to be brought in. We love going to games and having hot chocolate and popcorn, it is a tradition.

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Meh like Kim I was okay with them selling junk and I'm okay with this. I'm not okay with bringing i n drinks and food. Encourages teenagers to bring in alcohol.

Although, I'm not an avid high school sports attendee so maybe that's why. I WOULD be upset if they started regulating fairs and festivals because how would I get my fix of fried dough and apple cider donuts?? Smile

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"Jessica80" wrote:

Meh like Kim I was okay with them selling junk and I'm okay with this. I'm not okay with bringing i n drinks and food. Encourages teenagers to bring in alcohol.

Although, I'm not an avid high school sports attendee so maybe that's why. I WOULD be upset if they started regulating fairs and festivals because how would I get my fix of fried dough and apple cider donuts?? Smile

Didnt even think of teenagers bringing in alcohol.

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I almost didn't open the thread because I thought you were asking which one you should bring for snacks for the players.

Anyway...schools are in a unique position with this. Do you extend the school rules to include after-school activities as football, dances, plays, etc.? Or send what could be considered mixed messages?

Sports venues used to have very traditional food - popcorn, peanuts, hog dogs, soda, and beer. Venturing out to more creative stuff has done them well, but to get rid of the traditional stuff? No way! The HS should sell cheese and hummus and all the crap. It's a huge money-maker for the school.

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"ethanwinfield" wrote:

I almost didn't open the thread because I thought you were asking which one you should bring for snacks for the players.

Anyway...schools are in a unique position with this. Do you extend the school rules to include after-school activities as football, dances, plays, etc.? Or send what could be considered mixed messages?

Sports venues used to have very traditional food - popcorn, peanuts, hog dogs, soda, and beer. Venturing out to more creative stuff has done them well, but to get rid of the traditional stuff? No way! The HS should sell cheese and hummus and all the crap. It's a huge money-maker for the school.

It is a money maker you are right. I'll venture a guess in that they may go back to offering traditional fare or a mix because I don't see this as being a huge seller at these events. I might be wrong though.

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"Jessica80" wrote:

It is a money maker you are right. I'll venture a guess in that they may go back to offering traditional fare or a mix because I don't see this as being a huge seller at these events. I might be wrong though.

The thing I thought is that it's usually cold at football games, and string cheese and hummus are tasty, but not exactly what you want when it's cold outside. They need to figure out some warm healthier options too; I think those would be a better seller.

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"Alissa_Sal" wrote:

We have a completely GF bakery by our house that also serves sandwiches and stuff. If you're ever in Denver, look me up, we'll do lunch. Smile

Our Wholesale head office is in Denver. Maybe I should find a reason to tag along on one of my boss's trips. He's there like once a month. We could def do lunch!!!

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"Spacers" wrote:

I am. Smile

And Lisa (ClairesMommy) if you're ever in San Francisco, I'll set you up with a bunch of wonderful places that serve gluten-free menus.

I would love SF, I think. It looks like such a cool mix of new, old, quaint and funky. And I miss the water too. No water here, just a river.

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"ethanwinfield" wrote:

Anyway...schools are in a unique position with this. Do you extend the school rules to include after-school activities as football, dances, plays, etc.? Or send what could be considered mixed messages?

That's what we do, any event held on school property has to follow the school nutrition guidelines. We're not supposed to bring sodas to PTA meetings; when the PTA provides pizza, it can't have any pork and must use low-fat cheese; and the after-school programs serve fruit, string cheese, air-popped popcorn, and baked chips. We did serve hot chocolate & cookies after the Winter Sing-a-long, but that was held off-campus. We had a taco truck for the carnival and they served a limited menu that catered both to our guidelines and to the fact that they were serving a bunch of little kids. The high schools might have a different policy for after-hours events, but our school policy is strictly anything on campus follows the rules.

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I am onboard with healthier eating. But, I just feel like there are times where it's ok to eat less healthy. Those times are at games and other sorts of outings. We don't buy junk food at all at home. But when I go out somewhere I like to have coke and popcorn or nachos with cheese for example. That small percentage of the time is not what makes up my lifestyle or my kids' lifestyles. I can't get on board with cheese and hummus at a game. I think this is way too much regulation. People are going to make bad choices overall if it is their lifestyle to do so. A day at the game isn't going to make or break someone's health. It's their right to regulate it but I don't agree with it. They might try other choices like, lean beef or chicken hotdogs, very light, low calorie wraps, very lightly buttered popcorn, fresh smoothies, or something like this. Hummus? At a football game? It's just crazy to me.

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I think there are ways to offer healthier choices without being ridiculous and serving string cheese and hummus at sporting events. Fresh subs/wraps, salads, black bean burgers, etc. would probably be healthy options that teens would enjoy.

And if I was told I couldn't have a coke at a football game I'd smuggle one in my purse, lol. Seriously.

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I don't understand how making a choice to offer healthier food is "regulation"

Its simply a choice.

They don't have to offer *any* food!

Like i said....if a restaurant offered only healthy choices. Would you say "thats way too much regulation"

No of course not. This is a football game. Its a recreational activity...and the food is optional. No one is forcing you to eat hummus if you don't want it.

I will never understand criticizing a place for no longer offerring something they were never obligated to offer in the first place...and replace them with more thoughtful options.

why can't we just eat junk food at another time and place. I know change is hard for some people. But can't you all see some benefit to it?

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I think the regulation word comes in when you put people into a venue like a football stadium and then only offer a certain food type. If people are going to be somewhere for a couple of hours (or more) they are going to get hungry. They cant bring in food they would like to eat.
I guess there is the option to not go to the game at all, but maybe the better option is to offer the junk food and good food and let people make up their own minds

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I think the regulation word comes in when you put people into a venue like a football stadium and then only offer a certain food type. If people are going to be somewhere for a couple of hours (or more) they are going to get hungry. They cant bring in food they would like to eat.
I guess there is the option to not go to the game at all, but maybe the better option is to offer the junk food and good food and let people make up their own minds

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"mom3girls" wrote:

I think the regulation word comes in when you put people into a venue like a football stadium and then only offer a certain food type. If people are going to be somewhere for a couple of hours (or more) they are going to get hungry. They cant bring in food they would like to eat.
I guess there is the option to not go to the game at all, but maybe the better option is to offer the junk food and good food and let people make up their own minds

Okay well I went to Disney World years ago and I couldn't bring in food I liked and what if I didn't like what they are serving? It is my option to go to DW or not. Same here. It's not regulation. It's saying we are extending our school policy to those attending a school event.

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"mom3girls" wrote:

I think the regulation word comes in when you put people into a venue like a football stadium and then only offer a certain food type.

Well they were originally only offering a certain food type. Junk. No one said "This is too much regulation...that we are only offerred junk food"

I think this is more of an issue of people not liking change.

If people are going to be somewhere for a couple of hours (or more) they are going to get hungry. They cant bring in food they would like to eat.

Yes that is correct. I'm sorry. I'm missing the point. So....therefore they must offer junk or else its regulation? No its not. The choices were always limited. Its just that you don't prefer the new choices. You will never be able to please everyone unless they have a grocery store on the site. Someone didn't prefer the old choices either...were they suffering from over-regulation then?

I guess there is the option to not go to the game at all, but maybe the better option is to offer the junk food and good food and let people make up their own minds

Or you could eat before hand and afterwards if you really want the junk food and won't eat the options provided but still want to go to the game.

Weird to me. Not letting people bring food in from outside is a fairly common practice. Movie theatres usually have that policy even though they suck at enforcing it.

I guess its only okay to have that policy if you offer unhealthy stuff...otherwise your policy is 'over regulation'

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"Jessica80" wrote:

Okay well I went to Disney World years ago and I couldn't bring in food I liked and what if I didn't like what they are serving? It is my option to go to DW or not. Same here. It's not regulation. It's saying we are extending our school policy to those attending a school event.

Isn't it great that they have changed that policy! You can bring in any food you want to DW now. It is really just the booster club that loses in this case, because people will just bring in their own stuff. So the kids will lose the advantages that the booster club provides for them because they will have less money.

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Well see I didn't know that. But plenty of places do. Like Kim said, movie theaters, other amusement parks I know of etc.

I've never brought in outside food to any place except baby food. If they feel they lose money they petition to have the junk food back.

Seriously, this is probably why the majority of America is obese. Put some healthy options out there and people lose it. SMH

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"Jessica80" wrote:

Okay well I went to Disney World years ago and I couldn't bring in food I liked and what if I didn't like what they are serving? It is my option to go to DW or not. Same here. It's not regulation. It's saying we are extending our school policy to those attending a school event.

Doesnt disney world offer just about every kind of food there is? I do not think they are limiting options if they give you the choice to eat healthy or to eat crap

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"KimPossible" wrote:

Well they were originally only offering a certain food type. Junk. No one said "This is too much regulation...that we are only offerred junk food"

I think this is more of an issue of people not liking change.

Yes that is correct. I'm sorry. I'm missing the point. So....therefore they must offer junk or else its regulation? No its not. The choices were always limited. Its just that you don't prefer the new choices. You will never be able to please everyone unless they have a grocery store on the site. Someone didn't prefer the old choices either...were they suffering from over-regulation then?

Or you could eat before hand and afterwards if you really want the junk food and won't eat the options provided but still want to go to the game.

Weird to me. Not letting people bring food in from outside is a fairly common practice. Movie theatres usually have that policy even though they suck at enforcing it.

I guess its only okay to have that policy if you offer unhealthy stuff...otherwise your policy is 'over regulation'

I am fine with offering healthy choices, that is what my family would choose most of the time. I just find it better to offer both healthy and junk and let people make up their own mind.

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"mom3girls" wrote:

I am fine with offering healthy choices, that is what my family would choose most of the time. I just find it better to offer both healthy and junk and let people make up their own mind.

Well personally thinking some different approach is better is different than calling it over-regulation. I think it would be better if some places would offer ice cream on their dessert menu. But just because they don't offer what i want doesn't mean its over regulation .

I do think it speaks a lot about society that offering junk food only is okay (or at least no one raises an eyebrow to it or shouts over-regulation) and that offering both junk food and healthy food would be okay. But offering only healthy food is not.

And i'm not saying people shouldn't want to eat junk once in a while....i just htink its speaks volumes that they 'expect' it and criticize when its absent.

Like a football game is the only place to get your junk food fix.

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I think it has more to do with the venue. Coke, popcorn and hot dogs or maybe nachos are just part of the experience of a football game. A lot of people probably don't even eat those things anywhere else.

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"GloriaInTX" wrote:

I think it has more to do with the venue. Coke, popcorn and hot dogs or maybe nachos are just part of the experience of a football game. A lot of people probably don't even eat those things anywhere else.

Exactly. Thats why I said "I think this is more of an issue of people not liking change."

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"KimPossible" wrote:

I don't understand how making a choice to offer healthier food is "regulation"

Its simply a choice.

They don't have to offer *any* food!

Like i said....if a restaurant offered only healthy choices. Would you say "thats way too much regulation"

No of course not. This is a football game. Its a recreational activity...and the food is optional. No one is forcing you to eat hummus if you don't want it.

I will never understand criticizing a place for no longer offerring something they were never obligated to offer in the first place...and replace them with more thoughtful options.

why can't we just eat junk food at another time and place. I know change is hard for some people. But can't you all see some benefit to it?

Like i said....if a restaurant offered only healthy choices. Would you say "thats way too much regulation"
I just wouldn't go to a restaurant which doesn't offer what I'd like. If you have a child involved in sports, it's great to go. Football is a good ole America sport for which we're NOT accustomed to eating HUMMUS, a food which is not so rooted. Part of the reason for offering a concession at games is income. I personally think that offering hummus isn't probably the smartest food they could offer. There are lots of other options besides this ridiculous offering. This is not a 'thoughtful' option. This is a ridiculous option. Popcorn is actually healthy as long as you don't drench it in the butter. Wraps can be made very healthy and delicious. Cheese and Hummus? Come on people.

Eat junk food at another time and place?
How is that better? how about the fact that we don't eat junk except on the occasional outing where it's there and a time and place like this which is fitting be the time and place?

And of course no one is forcing.
It's like if we go to a carnival and their vendors are selling like sushi and lizard. Some people like it....but it's not what we'd probably enjoy at a carnival.

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"myyams" wrote:

Like i said....if a restaurant offered only healthy choices. Would you say "thats way too much regulation"
I just wouldn't go to a restaurant which doesn't offer what I'd like. If you have a child involved in sports, it's great to go.

You can still go

Football is a good ole America sport for which we're NOT accustomed to eating HUMMUS, a food which is not so rooted.

Right, people don't like change. I said that.

Part of the reason for offering a concession at games is income. I personally think that offering hummus isn't probably the smartest food they could offer.

They are probably aware of the fact that it might be a different amount of revenue. And they probably know if its something they can afford, in exchange for maintaining their policy and possibly helping to change that expectation that is obviously so ingrained in us. (by evidence of this thread)

[quote There are lots of other options besides this ridiculous offering. This is not a 'thoughtful' option. This is a ridiculous option. Popcorn is actually healthy as long as you don't drench it in the butter. Wraps can be made very healthy and delicious. Cheese and Hummus? Come on people. [/quote]

Thats your opinion. I don't know where are from, but I am from Maine and hummus is an extremely popular healthier choice around here. Sure they may have to experiment with getting a healthier menu just right. I have no issue with people saying that their healthy choices aren't the best ones...i just have a problem with people crying foul for nixing the junk.

Eat junk food at another time and place?
How is that better?

Thats not for the school district to decide...they can only decide what they want to do. I simply suggested it because people were acting like this was the ONLY place to get their junk food fix. I'm saying if you really want it, you can have it somewhere else...this school district is under no obligation to appeal to your cravings or 'personal vision'

how about the fact that we don't eat junk except on the occasional outing where it's there and a time and place like this which is fitting be the time and place?

Fitting time and place is subjective and this school district seems to feel there might be a benefit in either a)trying to change that stereotype of football game = junk food or b)not sending mixed messages on their policy.

And of course no one is forcing.
It's like if we go to a carnival and their vendors are selling like sushi and lizard. Some people like it....but it's not what we'd probably enjoy at a carnival.

Actually there is a festival here in Maine called the Common Ground Fair. Super popular and the eating choices are all healthy. Are they over-regulating too?

You can change people's expectations. But you won't see that if you don't ever try.

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My WDW was merely an example of a place I've been where I couldn't bring in food (I guess just at that time). I certainly could not find cabbage soup while I was there and I LOVE cabbage soup. Not WDW's problem though.

Kim is absolutely right in saying that people are being resistant to change more than anything. As I mentioned before, if local fairs and festivals stopped selling my favorite junk items that I only eat at fairs and festivals I would be sad. I don't make fried dough at home and I get excited when I go to a fair and have it covered with powdered sugar. I may not avoid the fair but I won't necessarily stop at the food vendors at that point. That might be what happens here. Or people will eat what is offered. Who knows?

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Why do we have to change what we eat? I'm from the South but have lived all over. Knowing the football fans in my family and the kinds of places I've been around growing up, I can't see Hummus ever going over with them. People like what they like. Like Gloria said, I'll eat nachos there but I'm not going to go out and buy nachos to bring home.

And for the most part there is nothing wrong with a lot of the food if they just tweak it a little bit. There is nothing wrong with eating a hamburger if it's a real hamburger and cooked on a grill and not the size of the stadium. There's nothing wrong with popcorn as long as it's not drenched in butter. These things can be healthy and maybe it can even show people how the traditional junkie sounding food is not so junkie if prepared a little better. The fries..they can be baked instead of fried. They don't have to be so dramatic about the change and offer food that is really out of the ball park in comparison.

Jessica you may or may not find cabbage soup at WDW, but you will find tons of very normal foods. They have large food courts where you can eat just about any kind of normal everyday food and as well more special food. You get lots of (expensive) choices. Then there are other restaurants that offer foods of different cultures.

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"myyams" wrote:

Why do we have to change what we eat? I'm from the South but have lived all over. Knowing the football fans in my family and the kinds of places I've been around growing up, I can't see Hummus ever going over with them. People like what they like. Like Gloria said, I'll eat nachos there but I'm not going to go out and buy nachos to bring home.

And for the most part there is nothing wrong with a lot of the food if they just tweak it a little bit. There is nothing wrong with eating a hamburger if it's a real hamburger and cooked on a grill and not the size of the stadium. There's nothing wrong with popcorn as long as it's not drenched in butter. These things can be healthy and maybe it can even show people how the traditional junkie sounding food is not so junkie if prepared a little better. The fries..they can be baked instead of fried. They don't have to be so dramatic about the change and offer food that is really out of the ball park in comparison.

Jessica you may or may not find cabbage soup at WDW, but you will find tons of very normal foods. They have large food courts where you can eat just about any kind of normal everyday food and as well more special food. You get lots of (expensive) choices. Then there are other restaurants that offer foods of different cultures.

Again, it was just an example of how we can't please everyone all of the time.

Forget I mentioned WDW.

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"myyams" wrote:

Why do we have to change what we eat? I'm from the South but have lived all over.

Have you looked around or read any news articles about obesity lately? I think its pretty obvious why we need to change what we eat. If you are from the south you should know that even more. half of the top 10 fattest states in the US are in the south.

Knowing the football fans in my family and the kinds of places I've been around growing up, I can't see Hummus ever going over with them. People like what they like.

And people also like football. Do you really think that people would stop going to their kids or friends football games to hang out and socialize if they couldn't have a hot dog and soda? People said that people would stop going out to the bars if they had to stop smoking too....and that ended up not being true. People like what they like indeed, but they can also be accommodating if they like other things too. Like socializing, competitive sports and supporting their kids. Its not all about the junk food. And if it is, it shouldn't be.

Like Gloria said, I'll eat nachos there but I'm not going to go out and buy nachos to bring home.

So the consequence is you might not eat nachos as often if they aren't so readily available...or if you really wanted them badly enough, you would go get them. When we had the debate about the smaller cup sizes in NYC i posted an article that talked about america's obesity problem. Part of what it stated was that we live in a saturated market, a social and living environment where it is easier to get junk and sugar than it is to get an apple. People like to talk about how healthy they eat at home, but maybe home isn't the problem. Maybe its the impulse counters at the front of stores, and the concession stands at sports games and the quick mart at the gas station and the 9 million other places where its easy to grab a soda or a hot dog or whatever. Maybe Portland's school district doesn't want to be a part of that saturated market. I think thats admirable.

And for the most part there is nothing wrong with a lot of the food if they just tweak it a little bit. There is nothing wrong with eating a hamburger if it's a real hamburger and cooked on a grill and not the size of the stadium.

Okay, i love a good hamburger but there is no way you are honestly going to try to argue with me that a hamburger is a healthy choice. Corn fed ground beef? There is nothing wrong with a hamburger once in a while....but lets not kid ourselves here. Its not a healthy food choice.

There's nothing wrong with popcorn as long as it's not drenched in butter.

Sure, unbuttered unsalted popcorn is not bad. Is that really all it takes to make people happy? Just bring back a bag of popcorn. Easy...sold on me. I'm not saying it HAS to be hummus and it HAS to be string cheese. I'm just saying it doesn't HAVE to be junk.

These things can be healthy and maybe it can even show people how the traditional junkie sounding food is not so junkie if prepared a little better.

Okay we are getting a little nit picky here. I thought the issue was junk food vs no junk food. Not "you have the wrong kind of healthier food" I don't want to debate the merits of hummus specifically really. I just had to reassure you that closer to where this is happening, people might eat it more than where you are now. I just went to a wedding this past weekend here....and they had a huge veggie platter with hummus. Actually, the wedding i went to before this one did too, in CT. Whats wrong with teaching our kids that its a more normal food to eat?

Why you do want to maintain this idea of burgers fries hot dogs and soda needs to be 'normal'. Kids in high school, seems like an excellent place to expose kids to alternatives, and not just sneaky food meant to remind you of junk food. But really healthy choices (Fresh veggies are going to be a hundred times better for you than a nasty over processed chicken hot dog any day). Why are we poo pooing this? I think we have to question what it is we are actually trying to hold on to here and for what purpose, vs. what small things we can do everywhere in life to build a healthier nation. I don't think nostalgia and tradition are great reasons to teach our kids the same eating habits that we have now. Look where they have gotten us.

The fries..they can be baked instead of fried. They don't have to be so dramatic about the change and offer food that is really out of the ball park in comparison.

So healthier food is okay as long as it mimics junk food. And isn't too 'weird'. Thats a different argument than what you were saying before. Before it sounded like you said it was over regulation simply because the traditional junk food wasn't available. I completely disagree with that and I mildly disagree with the notion that healthier options have to look like our junk food favorites. But i could see how they might have their place in the mix at least.

Jessica you may or may not find cabbage soup at WDW, but you will find tons of very normal foods. They have large food courts where you can eat just about any kind of normal everyday food and as well more special food. You get lots of (expensive) choices. Then there are other restaurants that offer foods of different cultures.

I know she's already said this but her point is, you go to a place like that (or any place) and they just may not have what you want. I will say, i was just at WDW recently and if you want something fast and quick and cheap (relatively speaking) your healthy options are slim. If you want to eat three meals at a sit down restaurant, you might fair better throughout the day. But i digress.

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I can't seem to get my "I care" going on this. A school can serve/not serve whatever they want. Sales might go down though.

As an aside, I have never had hummas before. I am pretty sure also it has never been offered anywhere I have ever been. Not sure I could even tell you what it looks like. Possibly a regional food like grits? (I just asked DH, he has never seen it before either)

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Kim, if you want a nation to change, being so dramatic with change and the choices that aren't really popular are not the ways to go at all. You're going to find a nation resistant and rejectful. A smart person trying to make change does it in a subtle and empowering kind of way.

For example, you tell an obese person trying to reduce that: you can still have a burger, but let's do it this way instead (and show the person how flavorful a burger can be and yet pretty good for them too). You can make a yummy burger in 300 calories or less, use whole grains, fill it in with veggies, and be very happy and satisfied. You don't say sorry, no more burgers for you, but here's a carrot stick and some hummus. Good luck! That will definitely set someone up for failure.

If the school was smart they'd work on their approach and marketing. They have so much power to set a trend but instead they present change in this way, a way that won't work on the mentality of people. Perhaps they truly don't really care about the larger picture.

I am very aware of the obesity problem. Because of the mentality of the people, this kind of dramatic change is not going to be effective. You want to entice people in ways that they respond positively to. People who lose weight and are able to 'maintain' that lifestyle don't do it from junk food to carrot sticks. They learn how to cook smarter. They learn how to measure food, measure calories, and budget between those two aspects.

Burgers can absolutely be healthier and not so bad.
Burgers: Tips, Recipes fo a Lean, Luscious Burger - Healthy Recipes, Nutrition and Cooking Tips to Improve Health or Lose Weight on MedicineNet.com

Besides this, there are quite a lot of better options than hummus at a football game. I don't think hummus by itself is 'weird' but I do think it's 'weird' to eat it a football game for example. I never said we can't have healthier food.. I NEVER said that. I did say that hummus and cheese are not the answer basically. I am all for eating better. If you can give me chips which are healthier at a game, that's fabulous! But for goodness sake don't take everything in exchange for hummus and cheese. There are lots of smarter ways to go about this than what they are doing. And again, if you want to make change, this is not the way to go.

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I agree with Kim that "the norm" at at football game is only the norm because that's what we're used to. If all schools switched to hummus and string cheese tomorrow, by the time our kids are grown and have kids in school, they would expect hummus and string cheese at the games and get in a twist if someone wanted to change it. It's entirely based on what you, personally, are used to. Hummus is only a "weird" or off putting choice if you're not used to eating hummus. My 4 year old (who can be picky, like any kid) LOVES hummus because he's been eating it most of his life, and because it has a fun "dip and eat" vibe going. The only objection I have to hummus and string cheese for me personally is, again, that it's cold food, and I don't typically want cold food when it's chilly outside. But I'm also not all up in arms about it because I don't think it's the school's obligation to feed me at all, let alone have foods tailored to my personal tastes or my sense of nostalgia.

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"myyams" wrote:

Kim, if you want a nation to change, being so dramatic with change and the choices that aren't really popular are not the ways to go at all. You're going to find a nation resistant and rejectful. A smart person trying to make change does it in a subtle and empowering kind of way.

I think you will find them less resistent than you are painting. The goal is not to 'change the nation' in this one decision. This is the school districts way of contributing. You seem certain that people will be rioting. I think the worse thing that will happen is people will buy less food at the football games. Best thing that would happen is that people would be accustomed to newer and better habits and traditions. Either way, they are not eating junk food that they once were and i don't see that as a bad thing. If people still want the junk badly enough, they can get it at a different time, but at least the school was proactive in making a difference where it can.

For example, you tell an obese person trying to reduce that: you can still have a burger, but let's do it this way instead (and show the person how flavorful a burger can be and yet pretty good for them too). You can make a yummy burger in 300 calories or less, use whole grains, fill it in with veggies, and be very happy and satisfied. You don't say sorry, no more burgers for you, but here's a carrot stick and some hummus. Good luck! That will definitely set someone up for failure.

HUGE difference between "No more burgers for you" and "no more burgers at this venue" Of course if we were to immediately pull all treats and indulgences away in all situations there would be a lot of dissatisfied people. Thats not what this is.

If the school was smart they'd work on their approach and marketing. They have so much power to set a trend but instead they present change in this way, a way that won't work on the mentality of people. Perhaps they truly don't really care about the larger picture.

Thats crazy. Obviously they care...if they didn't, they would still be pumping in the junk food which is a much better revenue source for them. Really veggies and cheese are not so foreign to people that they can't adjust. I don't understand this coddeling of handing people 'sort of better' hot dogs and 'baked fries' still full of carbs and lacking nutrition as a way to introduce them to healthier eathing habits. Thats not healthy! "less bad for you" is not the same as "healthy". You are simply setting them up with new habits that are mildly better than the old oens...and still over processed and still lacking a lot of valueable nutrition. At what point is it acceptable to make the leap from processed foods and white starches to vegetables. What makes you think that making the leap from a 'Chicken hot dog and baked french fries" to carrot sticks and hummus is any better?

This is simply resistence to actually embracing the types of foods we should strive to be eating. That leap from chicken hot dog to celery is hardly different at all from regular hot dog to celery.

I am very aware of the obesity problem. Because of the mentality of the people, this kind of dramatic change is not going to be effective.

This is really not that dramatic. Its what you buy at a football game once a week. This is not a rigid life alterting plan...its simply what one venue can do to stay consistent in its food policies.

You want to entice people in ways that they respond positively to. People who lose weight and are able to 'maintain' that lifestyle don't do it from junk food to carrot sticks. They learn how to cook smarter. They learn how to measure food, measure calories, and budget between those two aspects.

This choice is not supposed to carry people to better eating habits all on its own. Education on good eating habits is obviously an appropriate and valueable tool, but not withing the scope of a high school football game. LIke i said before...we live in a saturated market where it is extremely easy to buy unhealthy foods. That article actually also pointed to the fact that education does NOT work well, particularly on its own. People can be taught what is good and waht is bad, but when its too easy to get the bad....much easier than the good, they still go for the bad.

Need proof? Look at the amount we have invested in nutritional education. Look at our obesity statistics.

Burgers can absolutely be healthier and not so bad.
Burgers: Tips, Recipes fo a Lean, Luscious Burger - Healthy Recipes, Nutrition and Cooking Tips to Improve Health or Lose Weight on MedicineNet.com

"Less bad" is not health food. Hamburgers are not health foods....period. Less bad is good and worth of indulgence, but please don't equate them to healthy eating.

Besides this, there are quite a lot of better options than hummus at a football game. I don't think hummus by itself is 'weird' but I do think it's 'weird' to eat it a football game for example.

You just don't like hummus do you? LOL. I've been trying to tell you that where this is happening, hummus is not that unpopular. So maybe you need to take regional differences into account.

I never said we can't have healthier food.. I NEVER said that. I did say that hummus and cheese are not the answer basically.

And you called it over regulation to be offering these things. Which indicates to me an objection against the lack of tradtional and unhealthy options. Unless by over-regulating you mean specifically you do not like being giving hummus as an option.

I am all for eating better. If you can give me chips which are healthier at a game, that's fabulous! But for goodness sake don't take everything in exchange for hummus and cheese. There are lots of smarter ways to go about this than what they are doing. And again, if you want to make change, this is not the way to go.

I think you and i have a different defintion of 'healthy' To me, a move away from over processed foods heavy in starch is healthy and is what our country really needs to improve our problem.

You teach an obsese person that eating baked chips when you want a snack is healthy...i think you've failed.

I think instead if an obsese person and the rest of america instead learns that, chips are an unhealthy treat to indulge in once in a while and not every venue is going to hand them out to you...and that fresher unproccessed foods are better and more available than the chips...then you've succeded.

I am a total believer that the junk has to become LESS easily available. And what we *should* be eating more easily available. So to me, this makes tons of sense.

Do i think its something that *had* to be done? No, not really. I just can't understand the criticism. Well, i can understand "Aww man, i liked my hot dog and coke at a football game" But thats about it.

I think what happens is we tell all these little places they don't have to contribute to fixing the problem...because they are little and obviously don't have a huge effect on their own. But in reality, if more places did the same thing, maybe we'd finally be seeing results. Maybe if people simply had significantly less opportunities to grab the Pepsi and fries we'd see a difference.

All the baked chips on the market and nutritional education and chicken hot dogs and whatever else we have....seems to be getting us nowhere on its own. Time for something new.

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Just an afterthought, and really summarizes what i'm trying to say above, in case people are thinking "She writes too much"

I think for me, the idea of teaching that different and slightly better versions of the same food is a good and positive choice has been around for a long time. These are little changes, little changes that have been available for a while. We cling to them because we want to take a baby step that still feels like the comforting junk food we enjoy eating so much.

well i don't think it works....its been going on for too long. Our obesity problem is at an alarming point. We don't neeed 'little' steps, i think its pretty obvious we need something dramatic. And it is really concerning to me that this change is considered too dramatic. I don't think that bodes well for changing our outlook on food and what healthy eating actually is.

When we teach people to eat a different kind of chip, and different kind of hot dog or burger, they don't seem to be making that leap t eating what we are actually supposed to be eating. And of course not, because those things are still worlds different from the right stuff.

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I think a few of you are forgetting that this is a *school* football game. This is not changing your food options at the Super Bowl or at your local fair, it's only extending a school nutrition policy to include the football games. Maybe on cold days they'll offer vegetarian chili or burritos made with grilled chicken? Hot cocoa made with fat free milk might also be an acceptable cold weather option. The fact is that eating healthier at school can and does make dramatic change in what kids eat at home, and as Kim has so eloquently said already, we need dramatic change to keep this next generation from being even more unhealthy than ours. I've seen this in action. Our school has a garden and every single kid gets to garden at least once a week. My DH is one of the volunteer garden teachers, and he takes our camp stove once in a while to cook things the kids help harvest, and we send home veggies with some of the kids once in a while, too. I've had parents come up to me and tell me that their kids have asked for kale & chard & fava beans because they tried those things at school & liked them & wanted to eat them at home. At least half a dozen families in our school that I'm aware of have started home garden projects as a direct result of our school garden program; they didn't think they had the room for gardening, or enough sun, or that their kids would ever eat those things.