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    Quote Originally Posted by Alissa_Sal View Post
    Again, if health benefits are considered part of the employee's pay for working there, I don't think they get to say "we won't pay for X" any more than they get to put limitations on what the employee uses their paycheck for.
    But how is this getting in someone's pants? I think this is a very bad analogy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mom3girls View Post
    Alyssa, I get what you are saying. It is actually one of my biggest issues with our current insurance systems. I think for the money I pay in I should have more of a say in my health care choices. I am a big fan of HSAs for this reason. I just do not see the issue in paying for BC, I have been paying for it for years, even with pretty good health insurance.
    I just keep going back to the idea that everyone has a choice, and if you choose to work for an employer that does not cover BC then you have to pay for it yourself.
    How many people have the luxury of deciding on employers by their insurance plans? I know that when I was looking for a job, I wasn't in a position to turn down jobs because I didn't like their insurance plans; I was looking for a job that I would enjoy, in my field, that paid well enough and had benefits period. I think that personal choice is more important when it comes to the health care choices that you have available to you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mom3girls View Post
    But how is this getting in someone's pants? I think this is a very bad analogy.
    Mmmm.....how about "all up in their business?" Is that a better way to put it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alissa_Sal View Post
    Mmmm.....how about "all up in their business?" Is that a better way to put it?

    Way better analogy!

    I too looked for a job based on a lot of choices, health insurance wasnt one of them. The Catholic church is a pretty small percentage of employers, I think it would be fairly easy to not interview there if free BC is super important to someone.

    The other piece of this is that if you feel free BC is so important maybe working for the Catholic church is not a good fit? I would think most people that want to work for them are Catholic or at least they would be understanding of the church's stance on BC? Maybe I am way off base here, we have a very small Catholic community here and I can only think of one employer besides the local churches and that is a school
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    But what about Catholic hospitals? Do we really run the risk of patients having poor care or long turnaround times because potentially short staffing of medical professionals becomes even shorter by people looking for these benefit coverages?

    And there are places were the only local hospital is a Catholic hospital so no these people cannot easily go to a non-religious institution.

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    What about hospitals? That is the big one I was thinking of, that it seems like many of the hospitals in my area are Adventist. I don't know how Adventists feel about BC, but it seems like if someone wants to work at a hospital around here, they might well end up at an Adventist hospital. I imagine there are plenty of people who just want to work at a hospital, they don't care about the religious background of the hospital.

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    This slippery slope goes far beyond the Catholic Church. What if an employer decided that he didn't want to provide coverage for blood transfusions because he's a Jehovah's Witness? What if an employer decided that he didn't want to provide coverage for skin cancer because he belongs to a religion that advocates staying out of the sun? We need to draw the line on what is an acceptable decision for an employer to make, and what is not. Providing health insurance is an acceptable decision; telling employees how to use their health insurance is not, nor is withholding coverage for legally-madated things that are in the best interest of the general public of our nation. No employer should be able to get an "out" on providing coverage because of "personal beliefs" because businesses are not people and therefore can not have personal beliefs.
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    The comparison to 9/11 or Pearl Harbor is overly dramatic, but I do think employers should be able to select the services they provide coverage for.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kris_w View Post
    The comparison to 9/11 or Pearl Harbor is overly dramatic, but I do think employers should be able to select the services they provide coverage for.
    Why? Why should anyone have that much power over someone else, to be able to say you can have this medical treatment but not another? No one but you & your doctor should be making those decisions. And so now I need to interview potential employers to find out their beliefs on things like birth control, blood transfusions, and skin cancer before I decide whether to accept the job that they're offering? Wow. That's just crazy. Society has decided that the greater good demands access to free birth control, and no person should be able to say no to that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spacers View Post
    This slippery slope goes far beyond the Catholic Church. What if an employer decided that he didn't want to provide coverage for blood transfusions because he's a Jehovah's Witness? What if an employer decided that he didn't want to provide coverage for skin cancer because he belongs to a religion that advocates staying out of the sun? We need to draw the line on what is an acceptable decision for an employer to make, and what is not. Providing health insurance is an acceptable decision; telling employees how to use their health insurance is not, nor is withholding coverage for legally-madated things that are in the best interest of the general public of our nation. No employer should be able to get an "out" on providing coverage because of "personal beliefs" because businesses are not people and therefore can not have personal beliefs.
    I wouldn't have a problem with either of those examples. As long as prospective employees were made aware (since it is unusual) . I suspect those companies would have trouble finding staff, but that it their choice. And if I chose to work there, then I would want to purchase additional insurance policy.

    While a business isn't a person obviously, there is a owner behind that business who shouldn't be force to run their business in any way except what is in line with their beliefs. If those beliefs aren't in line with general society, then people can spend their money elsewhere and the business will suffer.
    Last edited by kris_w; 08-02-2012 at 05:36 PM.

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