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    Quote Originally Posted by Spacers View Post
    Why? Why should anyone have that much power over someone else, to be able to say you can have this medical treatment but not another? No one but you & your doctor should be making those decisions. And so now I need to interview potential employers to find out their beliefs on things like birth control, blood transfusions, and skin cancer before I decide whether to accept the job that they're offering? Wow. That's just crazy. Society has decided that the greater good demands access to free birth control, and no person should be able to say no to that.
    No one is saying you can't use BC. They are saying they won't pay for it and you can pay for it yourself if you want it. I think that it fair.

    Maybe another Canadian knows for sure, but waaayyyy back when I used BC, I'm pretty sure I paid for it out-of-pocket.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spacers View Post
    Why? Why should anyone have that much power over someone else, to be able to say you can have this medical treatment but not another? No one but you & your doctor should be making those decisions. And so now I need to interview potential employers to find out their beliefs on things like birth control, blood transfusions, and skin cancer before I decide whether to accept the job that they're offering? Wow. That's just crazy. Society has decided that the greater good demands access to free birth control, and no person should be able to say no to that.
    Society? I don't think the Democrats that voted for this represent all of society. We aren't talking about a government entity here, but a private religious employer. They aren't saying you don't have the right to use whatever medication you want, just that they shouldn't have to pay for it if it goes against their religious beliefs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spacers View Post
    Freedom of religion is for people, not corporations and other inanimate entitites. Joe Blow as a person has the right to express his religious freedoms, but Joe Blow's business can't go to church or read a bible and has no business in the pants of its employees. Same with the Catholic Church and all other churches; they are groups of individual people who have the right to religious freedoms, but the group itself is not a person and has no such right. As an employer, it must abide by the law that all other employers must abide, and allow its employees to exercise their own religious freedoms and health care decisions for themselves.
    I completely disagree. Creating a buisness does not strip you of all your rights and freedoms. America was founded on not just freedom for the individual but also for business owner as well as long as safety standards are met.
    I do think you either need to not offer insurance or offer it, not mess with individual issues but 100% disagree that businesses do not have Freedom of Religion.
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    No, it's not fair. Employers should not be able to pick & choose what they will cover when it's been mandated by the government. It's disgraceful that many American small businesses currently provide no maternity health care coverage for their employees, but I haven't heard anyone here complain about that part of the Affordable Care Act. If we say all employers need to provide certain coverages, then ALL employers need to provide them. That's what is fair, and that's how society works, everyone pitching in together to support everything (schools, wars, roads) whether they like it & use it or not. Actually, what would be a lot fairer is to put all insurance companies out of business and everyone simply gets full access to the medical care they need for free without anyone else's politics or religion in their way.

    And I've never had health insurance that didn't cover birth control, usually for free, sometimes a small co-payment. The only time I've had to pay out-of-pocket was when I didn't have health insurance at all. And then I usually got it for free at Planned Parenthood because I didn't have access to a doctor who could prescribe it for me to begin with.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AlyssaEimers View Post
    I completely disagree. Creating a buisness does not strip you of all your rights and freedoms. America was founded on not just freedom for the individual but also for business owner as well as long as safety standards are met.
    I do think you either need to not offer insurance or offer it, not mess with individual issues but 100% disagree that businesses do not have Freedom of Religion.
    Show me where the Constitution of the U.S. provides any kind of non-person entity with any rights. All of the rights provided in our Constitution are individual rights, for the people. The reason a church or any other organization thinks it has the right to freedom of religion is because every single member of that church or organization possesses that right, not because the church or organization itself has that right.

    Creating a business means you have to do certain things you might not normally do, even if they infringe on your personal rights. Many restaurants are cited every year because the employees don't wash their hands after using the restroom. That's perfectly fine to do in your own home, albeit gross, but it's not something you can do when you're preparing food for others. Creating a business might mean needing to take classes in something you already know how to do, cutting hair or doing nails, in order to get a business license. You don't need a license to cut hair or do nails in your own home for free, but when you make it your business, you have to have the license, which means having the schooling.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spacers View Post
    No, it's not fair. Employers should not be able to pick & choose what they will cover when it's been mandated by the government. It's disgraceful that many American small businesses currently provide no maternity health care coverage for their employees, but I haven't heard anyone here complain about that part of the Affordable Care Act. If we say all employers need to provide certain coverages, then ALL employers need to provide them. That's what is fair, and that's how society works, everyone pitching in together to support everything (schools, wars, roads) whether they like it & use it or not. Actually, what would be a lot fairer is to put all insurance companies out of business and everyone simply gets full access to the medical care they need for free without anyone else's politics or religion in their way.

    And I've never had health insurance that didn't cover birth control, usually for free, sometimes a small co-payment. The only time I've had to pay out-of-pocket was when I didn't have health insurance at all. And then I usually got it for free at Planned Parenthood because I didn't have access to a doctor who could prescribe it for me to begin with.
    And I have never had insurance cover BC. I pay $35 or $37 a month to take my pill. If fact there are 3 meds my family take every month that my insurance does not cover, all 3 are not considered medically necessary. I have no issue with it (one of them I would really like for them to pay for, it is expensive)
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    As an employee of a health insurance company I think it's odd that your insurance didn't cover BC. I've always had some form of BC covered when I use it.

    I know our exemptions are for cosmetic items, items that you can obtain OTC. There are preferred medications we cover but you may need your doctor to file an exemption. That's it.

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    A business is made up of people. Those people do need follow safety requirements or quality standards. They do not have to fit into the Government's religion. Whether that religion is is Catholic, Baptist, or Atheism. That is the great American dream. To be able to come to America and live you life and set up a business and run it how you see fit. Not so that the Government can tell you that there is no God and that you have to act outside your faith if you want to have a business.

    It is one thing to say an employer should have to provide health insurance. It is a completely different thing to say that business do not have freedom of religion.

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    The First Amendment does not read "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion (except businesses).

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    That just means that there is not going to be a state run or federal run church or religion. You will not have an official religion anywhere nor would you be prohibited from practicing your religion by the state or by the federal government.

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