I'm fine but actually I probably shouldn't be here because I'm really stressed with my real work. In between posts, I'm having to kick some lawyer *** for not getting me stuff I needed over a week ago and kicking some supervisor *** for not making him do his job and I have a BIG meeting tomorrow morning and no one has gotten me the stuff I need for that. So sorry, maybe my nasty attitude in real life at the moment is coming through on the internet.
And having done a ton of genealogy I know that the family stories often change over time. My great-grandfather who died of a broken skull in jail after a fight with a road crew, the story became he was attacked by a hitchhiker. And my great-great-grandparents who were escaped slaves? They moved across the state line and turned into white people. So I could totally believe that grandpa floating around on a little boat could easily become "I was a ship captain," over time, kwim?
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I get your point. Please know that we do have some proof but not what you would expect lol again...due to it being a "fishing vessel" which was a great code word for "we carry booze illegally"
Sorry you are having a hard time at work.
Mom to Elizabeth (5) and Corinne (3)
This debate is so strange. I'm not a parent who would be freaking out and screaming RAPE if my kid was a freshman and dating a senior. Now, I wasn't allowed to date until I was 16, but I ended up being good friends with several senior guys and one of them was someone who I absolutely would have dated had I been allowed. We are friends to this day. I was quite sure I was in love with him. I was very mature at 14, he didn't turn 18 till June of that year, but still, I just lack the horrification I see from some of you. Its nothing at all like a 40 year old and a 14 year old. These kids are peers in school, in athletics etc, to think that they might date is just not that terrifying to me. I think that this law is so archaic and stupid and such a shame that it can ruin kids lives.
It is also crazy to me that someone stated that most 12 year olds can't clean their own room. I know many responsible, smart, bright and engaging 12 year olds who have travelled all over, gone on extensive volunteer projects, are interesting and well spoken and .........wait for it....can even clean their own room. How sad that you know such a crappy bunch of kids to sum up "most" 12 year olds as being such incompetent losers!
I actually did date a freshman when I was a senior . His parents and I actually got along really well, and we still chat now - 20 years later. We never did have sex, though, but it would have been my word against there word.
Carolyn - 37
Wife to Chad - 39
Mom to Tom - 15
Nathan - 10
I guess I just see a big difference between a 14 and a 18 year old. When I was doing my practicum years ago, they were having a big problem with high school boys coming to the middle school and hooking up with middle school girls. The girls thought they were so cool and the boys were basically using them for sex. It caused a ton of issues for the girls involved, and it was purposeful, thought out behavior on the part of the boys. Not sure what I am trying to say here, but the whole situation bothers me. I couldnt imagine wanting to date a 14 year old when I was 18 because they were just boys, so young and immature, so I cant wrap my brain around saying these girls were peers as the age gap is so big.
Mom to Arianna (5), Conner (3) and Trent (my baby)
My son dated a girl who was a freshman when he was a senior. He was 18 and she was 15. But they weren't allowed to just go off by themselves, her parents insisted that if they went to the movies or something it was with a group of friends not just the two of them. They also spent a lot of time either at her home or mine where parents were present. We talked about it and he was very aware that since she was younger he could get into real trouble if anything sexual went on because he could be charged. I think it is a good thing for the law to be in place because it does make an 18 year old think twice about letting things go too far when they know they could go to jail for it. 18 year old boys have been dealing with this for years and they all know the law. I have a hard time believing that this Kate did not know that she could be charged after being warned by the 14 year old's parent and at least one other parent. Her parents should definitely have spoken up when she brought her to their home in the middle of the night, especially since they WERE aware of the relationship. Kate's parents shouldn't have needed the 14 year old's parents to come to them to know that she shouldn't be doing that.
Mom to Lee, Jake, Brandon, Rocco
Stepmom to Ryan, Regan, Braden, Baley
Granddaughters Kylie 10/18/2010 & Aleya 4/22/2013
I never consider a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosopy, as a cause for withdrawing from a friend. --Thomas Jefferson
I could be wrong but I believe that the sentancing is very different for a 18 year old charged with satutory rape and a 40 year old that is charged with it? Dh's college roomate is a registered sex offender. At 19 years old he had sex with a 15 year old at a party, she had told him she was 17. He did not do any jail time, just some community service and he carries that title. I think they are BIG flaws in the laws surrounding this issue. I dont believe that this 18 year old girl should be treated as a 40 year old man. I believe there should be consequences though.
Molly, Morgan, Mia and Carson
I do know a lot of 12 year olds that are the most amazing responsible kids you have ever met. In fact a big group of these kids are prepping for a mission trip to Nicaragua this summer. But I also know a fair amount of kids that have so far been given no responsibilities in life. I dont fault the kids, I completely fault their parents. Treating kids like they are incompetent leads to kids acting incompetent. I know moms of my kids classmates that do not even allow their 14 year olds to stay home alone while they run to the store. These kids are not going to know how to make good, educated decisions when they turn 18.
Molly, Morgan, Mia and Carson
Im just surprised that MOST of the 12 year olds you know are that incompetent. That's sad.