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    Quote Originally Posted by Alissa_Sal View Post
    Fightin' Words!

    Interesting and brief run down on "fighting words" and "incitement" on Wiki.
    I never knew that! I mean, I was familiar with the expression and even used it, but didn't know it was like, a real thing. Thanks for the link.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alissa_Sal View Post
    No clue. Maybe they didn't deem it newsworthy, maybe they didn't even know about it until after the riots. All I'm saying is, our media totally does the same sort of "Here's what you should be offended by today" kind of reporting. I'm sure they don't report everything, but I'm equally sure they report on anything they think will get a lot of views and interest and talk.
    I just think bashing others' religions or beliefs is very unAmerican as a whole. I don't think it's who we are or who we really wish to be. Perhaps they are trying to represent this idea.
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    Quote Originally Posted by myyams View Post
    I just think bashing others' religions or beliefs is very unAmerican as a whole. I don't think it's who we are or who we really wish to be. Perhaps they are trying to represent this idea.
    I would like to believe this. It's a nice thought.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alissa_Sal View Post
    I would like to believe this. It's a nice thought.
    I do believe it. We DO have our crazies. We DO have the misfits and pot stirrers. But we many times choose to chalk them off. The Quran burning didn't receive a lot of media attention. At first it did. Then the pastor decided not to do it. Then he did it anyway; that didn't receive a lot of attention. The media could have jumped all over that and been right there and present showing it live, up front, personal, but they didn't do that.

    I think we are as a nation progressing more and more towards tolerance everyday. I think on some level people have their prejudices but we don't act out on them as much. The media chooses what it chooses 'sometimes' with some wisdom. We have a lot of Muslims living in the U.S. We desire to live peacefully with people from walks of life and beliefs; a work in progress.

    Antisemitism is disliked and discouraged, but people can still create propaganda. The media however may or may not publish it. If they want to they can, but they likely won't publish things of that nature. I think the media are pot stirrers, but I do think they limit it in cases of national and world security or in matters of deep sentiments. Like I said, there are a lot of Muslims living in the U.S. Can you imagine how it'd be with these sorts of videos, excerpts, and constant coverage of them for Muslims? So I think they are just using their wisdom, like I said and being the bigger people and not being the pot stirrers of such hatred.
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    Quote Originally Posted by myyams View Post
    I just think bashing others' religions or beliefs is very unAmerican as a whole. I don't think it's who we are or who we really wish to be. Perhaps they are trying to represent this idea.
    Quote Originally Posted by myyams View Post
    I do believe it. We DO have our crazies. We DO have the misfits and pot stirrers. But we many times choose to chalk them off. The Quran burning didn't receive a lot of media attention. At first it did. Then the pastor decided not to do it. Then he did it anyway; that didn't receive a lot of attention. The media could have jumped all over that and been right there and present showing it live, up front, personal, but they didn't do that.

    I think we are as a nation progressing more and more towards tolerance everyday. I think on some level people have their prejudices but we don't act out on them as much. The media chooses what it chooses 'sometimes' with some wisdom. We have a lot of Muslims living in the U.S. We desire to live peacefully with people from walks of life and beliefs; a work in progress.

    Antisemitism is disliked and discouraged, but people can still create propaganda. The media however may or may not publish it. If they want to they can, but they likely won't publish things of that nature. I think the media are pot stirrers, but I do think they limit it in cases of national and world security or in matters of deep sentiments. Like I said, there are a lot of Muslims living in the U.S. Can you imagine how it'd be with these sorts of videos, excerpts, and constant coverage of them for Muslims? So I think they are just using their wisdom, like I said and being the bigger people and not being the pot stirrers of such hatred.
    I think both of these opinions are nice in theory, but not what happens. As a conservative Christian I can tell you from experience that there is little tolerance for Christianity. Yes, there is a great deal more in the US than other countries, but still not a lot of tolerance. There is very much an attitude that you can worship however you want as long as you are either in church, or in your own personal home. Don't you dare take it anywhere else. Go to any comedy show and it is fair game to mock and ridicule.

    Religion is not the only thing that is mocked. Obesity and homosexuality to name a few. I am not saying this is right (it is not), just that people say provocative things all of the time and are not arrested for it. The only difference here is that the Muslims reacted poorly, and that is not the fault of the film makers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlyssaEimers View Post
    I think both of these opinions are nice in theory, but not what happens. As a conservative Christian I can tell you from experience that there is little tolerance for Christianity. Yes, there is a great deal more in the US than other countries, but still not a lot of tolerance. There is very much an attitude that you can worship however you want as long as you are either in church, or in your own personal home. Don't you dare take it anywhere else. Go to any comedy show and it is fair game to mock and ridicule.

    Religion is not the only thing that is mocked. Obesity and homosexuality to name a few. I am not saying this is right (it is not), just that people say provocative things all of the time and are not arrested for it. The only difference here is that the Muslims reacted poorly, and that is not the fault of the film makers.
    Everything and everyone are mocked in comedy clubs. People learn to let some things go and live and breath without having a heart attack on stupid people's words in a comedy club.

    I am sorry but I have no sympathy for Christians who can't practice Christianity in the U.S. If you are a big guy being called a name by a little guy, you don't really care. If you're a little guy being called a name by a big guy, you feel threatened. Minorities, particularly those of non Christian faiths, go through major issues. The entire culture and flow of the U.S. has been in line with Christianity since being conquered. However, I think we are trying to focus on being more inclusive as a nation and as a government in more respects than just religion. We recently had a debate about the mayor of a town and his attitude towards Chick Fil A, about gay right issues, marriage, etc. I think we have to see the broader picture in where we've come from and where we are headed. So, Christians are not losing rights. Others are finally getting some. Their feelings are finally being taken into consideration.

    Protesting is fine. Harming others is not.
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    What I was saying was that other groups besides Muslims that are criticized or mocked. Those groups in turn do not go around attacking embassies. Neither do we arrest people for making fun of other people or mocking a religion. To even suggest that we should arrest people for making an anti Muslim video, blows my mind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by myyams View Post
    Protesting is fine. Harming others is not.
    Who exactly did the film makers personally hurt?

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    Quote Originally Posted by myyams View Post
    Everything and everyone are mocked in comedy clubs. People learn to let some things go and live and breath without having a heart attack on stupid people's words in a comedy club.

    I am sorry but I have no sympathy for Christians who can't practice Christianity in the U.S. If you are a big guy being called a name by a little guy, you don't really care. If you're a little guy being called a name by a big guy, you feel threatened. Minorities, particularly those of non Christian faiths, go through major issues. The entire culture and flow of the U.S. has been in line with Christianity since being conquered. However, I think we are trying to focus on being more inclusive as a nation and as a government in more respects than just religion. We recently had a debate about the mayor of a town and his attitude towards Chick Fil A, about gay right issues, marriage, etc. I think we have to see the broader picture in where we've come from and where we are headed. So, Christians are not losing rights. Others are finally getting some. Their feelings are finally being taken into consideration.

    Protesting is fine. Harming others is not.
    I totally agree.

    I don't think that "not being able to practice your religion in public" is a real issue. Sure, government institutions can't publically endorse your religion, but if you as a private citizen went out on a street corner and started praying and preaching, you would not be removed or arrested unless you were really disturbing the peace or tresspassing on private property. Walk around in downtown Denver or on the Auraria Campus sometime, we have some pretty famous street preachers that are certainly "allowed" by law enforcement and the public at large to do their thing. The police doesn't come and haul them off, the people walking by don't try to beat them up. Also, go pray before your meal in a restaurant some time if you don't already. My parents do this, and it embarrasses the crap out of me, but no one in the restaurant (not even their cringing daughter across the booth) says a word to stop them. Stick a Jesus fish on your car and see if anyone bothers you or vandalizes your car. I used to have a Darwin fish on my car until someone stole it and keyed a big scratch in my car. I just don't believe that Christians are these big victims that arent allowed to practice their religion in public. That is not my experience at ALL. The only thing you're not allowed to do is make your religion into the law, or have a public institution endorse your religion over another belief system. You have to be treated equally as the rest of us (which is basically ignored LOL) when it comes to the government. That's it.

    And yes, everyone gets made fun of.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AlyssaEimers View Post
    What I was saying was that other groups besides Muslims that are criticized or mocked. Those groups in turn do not go around attacking embassies. Neither do we arrest people for making fun of other people or mocking a religion. To even suggest that we should arrest people for making an anti Muslim video, blows my mind.
    Being mocked or criticized is the norm for Muslims and LOTS of people. I've not seen anyone protest or cause harm because someone called him a towel head in a comedy club. I have not watched the video, but from what I understand from comments and even some of the actor/esses, it's pretty vile. Even they are suing the filmmaker for his trickery. Apparently he tricked them and then dubbed over their voice with other lines. Anyway, I'm for the First Amendment. I'm against violence. But I also condemn his choice in making such a film. Instead of worrying about Islam, probably he needs to work on being a better Christian or at least a normal, decent human.

    Here is some interesting background. I learned something here about the actual law. It's not a primary source though.

    Brandenburg v. Ohio - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Last edited by myyams; 09-20-2012 at 04:20 PM.
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