Gardens only in the back yard?

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Gardens only in the back yard?
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Myaunt, an avid gardner put this story on her facebbok page. I think jail time is ridiculous and I think the amount of petition signitures and outcry will hopefully change the city's mind. However, I see the need to have some sort of policy on front yards.

I think they should change it to maybe allowing front yard gardens in raised beds or contained spaces only. I think of someone like me trying to put a garden in the front yard. With my brown thumb, in a few weeks it would look like a swamp or the dead lands. That would bring down selling prices in an already hard market and be an eye sore to everyone in the neighborhood.

However, prestine lawns take a lot of water to maintain. It's ridiculous to expect peopel to conserve water, eat healthier, and lower their carbon footprint and yet jail them when they try to do so by having a sustainable garden on their property.

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This is crazy. Here many people have their gardens in the front yard. My garden is off to the side but still in my front yard. I do not have enough son light in the back yard for a garden to grow. I love to walk around and look at different people's gardens.

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My main gardens are in the backyard, however I have many things growing in the front yard. My herb garden is in the front (chives, oregano, basil, lavender, sage, mint, dill, ect). I grow sunflowers, spinach and green beans along our fenceline out front. I have a mulberry tree that I make jam from it's fruit.

I think that if a person wants to live in a neighbourhood with pristine lawns then they should move into a neighbourhood with an HOA.

I think her front lawn looks awesome with those raised beds! I can see how the neighbours and kids would love it. It looks better than people who let their yard go to weeds, or dry up to dirt. Looks better than people with cars on their lawn.

What happened to OWNING property? If half of my property is in the front of my house then I should be able to make use of that property. We're in an age where sustainability is encouraged, and eating organic is expensive....so we're encouraged to grow gardens. I think that even if there are rules about lawns, there should be variances available for people who are growing consumables.

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Personally, I think it looks tacky and would be mega pissed if my neighbor put that in their front yard. I'm just not interested in seeing a yard full of raised beds when I drive down the street. In their back yard? Fine. Then again, we live in a cookie-cutter neighborhood with an HOA. We like that sort of thing. I understand that not everyone cares about a well manicured lawn with mature landscaping.

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It's actually well maintained and looks nice; I don't see the issue at all. We have a garden in the backyard, raised beds, and very large...but that's because the back has the best light. We do have herb/pepper plants in the front yard in large potting type containers. If they own the property, and it's not destructive, it's silly for neighbors to complain. They should save their breath for something that actually decreases the value of their properties.

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A well manicured lawn is usually a drain on the environment. Water, pesticides, gas-powered lawn mower, ect.

I would much rather see a productive vegetable garden than an environmental drain. I'd rather see a lawn of clover too, actually. No mowing required, less water, no pesticides and are native species.

I'm not a fan of cookie cutter communities though. I do appreciate a groomed property, but I'm not picky on how it needs to be groomed.

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I think it's ridiculous, and just another way for a city/town with no money to gouge it's citizens with a stupid ticket like this. If she doesn't have an HOA and therefore no HOA guidelines to abide by, then I don't see what the problem is. They're literally makeing a mountain out of a molehill. Most of the "front yards" here in Vegas consist of rocks, and hers in much prettier than mine!

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"Emilys4Guppies" wrote:

A well manicured lawn is usually a drain on the environment. Water, pesticides, gas-powered lawn mower, ect.

I would much rather see a productive vegetable garden than an environmental drain. I'd rather see a lawn of clover too, actually. No mowing required, less water, no pesticides and are native species.

I'm not a fan of cookie cutter communities though. I do appreciate a groomed property, but I'm not picky on how it needs to be groomed.

Actually our yard is extremely easy to maintain. We water once a week (if that, because it rains plenty here) and don't use any pesticides. Once a year my husband fertilizes it, and then mows & edges it weekly. I wouldn't call that a "drain on the environment."

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"Alana*sMommy" wrote:

Actually our yard is extremely easy to maintain. We water once a week (if that, because it rains plenty here) and don't use any pesticides. Once a year my husband fertilizes it, and then mows & edges it weekly. I wouldn't call that a "drain on the environment."

In one year, the average gas-powered lawn mower can emit the same amount of PM2.5 as the average car traveling about 3300 km. PM2.5 is a contributer to smog.

Even if you don't use pesticides, the production of fertilizers contributes CO2 to the environment.

Besides, lawns cover more surface area in the US than any irrigated crop according to NASA. YOUR lawn individually might not be a large drain but when you combine your lawn with every other lawn in the US you do get a negative environmental impact.

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"Emilys4Guppies" wrote:

In one year, the average gas-powered lawn mower can emit the same amount of PM2.5 as the average car traveling about 3300 km. PM2.5 is a contributer to smog.

Even if you don't use pesticides, the production of fertilizers contributes CO2 to the environment.

Besides, lawns cover more surface area in the US than any irrigated crop according to NASA. YOUR lawn individually might not be a large drain but when you combine your lawn with every other lawn in the US you do get a negative environmental impact.

Well don't you mow your lawn? Or drive a car? Or exhale?

We all do things that negatively impact the environment. My pretty lawn isn't causing some sort of major crisis.....I promise.

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We try to limit our carbon footprint. I actually don't drive. We are a one car family and make it a rule to never drive where we can walk. We use the car so DH can get to work and back to earn a living for us. Even then, he doesn't drive all the way to work...he commutes to the train and takes that to work (less environmental impact by train commuting).

We have a push mower too. The only power it takes is from me.

I try not to let esthetics get in the way of the environment when I can. Driving=income=survival. Green lawn=survival? Nope. Smile

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"Emilys4Guppies" wrote:

We try to limit our carbon footprint. I actually don't drive. We are a one car family and make it a rule to never drive where we can walk. We use the car so DH can get to work and back to earn a living for us. Even then, he doesn't drive all the way to work...he commutes to the train and takes that to work (less environmental impact by train commuting).

We have a push mower too. The only power it takes is from me.

I try not to let esthetics get in the way of the environment when I can. Driving=income=survival. Green lawn=survival? Nope. Smile

I like my pretty lawn and cookie-cutter neighborhood. It has nothing to do with survival, just preference.

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I think the problem is that she called the city and was told no and then did it anyway.

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"ethanwinfield" wrote:

I think the problem is that she called the city and was told no and then did it anyway.

ooo, I missed that part. I do think that just breaking the law isnot the way to do it. She should have worked on changing the law first, not simply give thecity the middle finger.

As to the cookie cutter carbon footprint idea, gardens and yards with plant life is no doubt better for the environment. Grass like Bahai or St. augustine really serves no purpose unless you have a pasture and use it to feed animals. It creates no home for wildlife and takes more then it gives as far as footprint wise. That is a fact. However, if you liek that sort of thing, there are neighborhood for you. I happen to live in one but they are more lineint in what they consider manicured. You are allowed to have fruit trees and flowers and plantlife.

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I missed that part too. I did see where she was replanting because they tore her yard up fixing the sewage. I'd be livid. This article has a larger picture of what it looks like. I think it looks fine. I don't live in an area with an HOA and probably never will; I don't want someone else telling me how to live. This woman obviously does not want someone else to tell her what to do either, since when do cities get to mandate grass only?

http://www.treehugger.com/files/2011/07/michigan_woman_faces_jail_planting_veggie_garden.php

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A neighbour having a vegetable garden in the front yard, while unusual (as most are in the back), is something I certainly wouldn't lose sleep over. I'd much rather see a maintained vegetable garden in the front than these ones that have broken down jalopies and old fridges/couches/etc. and all kinds of other junk all over the place and yet somehow many to just squeak by without actually breaking the bylaws so the city can't do anything about it :rolleyes: (We have one of those in our city and it's a total eyesore, people have complained, yet they can't do anything about it *sigh*) Why is it OK to have a flower garden but not a vegetable garden? Just because *some* people think flowers are pretty? Again... nice to have the maintained vegetables than a flower bed full of weeds/not maintained. I would also think there could be more important infractions for the city to be worrying about.

Now... if, in fact, she did ask and was told no... and did it anyway... that I do NOT agree with. Agree with the pp that said she should've worked on changing that bylaw before going ahead with it.

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All my veggies flower...so I would claim they are esthetic and not functional...that's just a byproduct.

My zucchini and cucumber are in beautiful flower right now! Big, bright and yellow! They are gorgeous.

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"wlillie" wrote:

I missed that part too. I did see where she was replanting because they tore her yard up fixing the sewage. I'd be livid. This article has a larger picture of what it looks like. I think it looks fine. I don't live in an area with an HOA and probably never will; I don't want someone else telling me how to live. This woman obviously does not want someone else to tell her what to do either, since when do cities get to mandate grass only?

http://www.treehugger.com/files/2011/07/michigan_woman_faces_jail_planting_veggie_garden.php

Ipersonally don't think it looks very nice and I can only imagine when the plants die and she is in the midst of replanting and tilling the soil, brown boxes of dirt don't look nice either. And the truth is, that your neighbors front yard does effect the price of your house which effects the city. So I totally get why we have HOA's and why their needs to be rules in place by the city. I just thinkt here can be a good medium between taking it down and and going to jail.

I also realize that there are two sides to every story. It's easy to make the city out ot be the villian here but if this woman knew the rules and still dispobeyed them, who's to say that she isn't more of a problem then the article makes it out to seem. Actually the more I find out about this story the more I think they might be exaggerating the "innocence" of this woman.

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The rules aren't very clear though and do we really want city officials telling us what they think is attractive is what you have to have? I understand the rule about grass and weeds because those can soon become safety issues, but to tell someone that they are getting complaints about a garden in someone's front yard? I hate to be ugly, b ut that house isn't attractive to me no matter what. We have a Tar Heel flag in our front yard with red lava rocks around the house. What happens when the city decides both of those aren't standard and fine us for having them?

http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1816764,00.html

This guy makes sense. In economic downturns, the US used to use the space available to grow their own vegetables. Now that organic is coming back on such a large scale, why wouldn't we encourage people to grow their own? There is no doubt that it's better for the environment, their pocketbooks, and their health.

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"wlillie" wrote:

This guy makes sense. In economic downturns, the US used to use the space available to grow their own vegetables. Now that organic is coming back on such a large scale, why wouldn't we encourage people to grow their own? There is no doubt that it's better for the environment, their pocketbooks, and their health.

The reason is because if you grow your own veggies then you aren't spending your $$$ in their stores on THEIR produce. Their EXPENSIVE organic produce.

I went through the same thing with my town. I petitioned to allow 3 hens per household in the backyard. My delegation to the municipality included clauses for noise violations, maintenance violations ect. The municipality ruled that our county has many places where you can buy eggs already so they will not allow me to grow my own. It's bullsh*t. I should be able to feed my family from my land. Especially because my petition included keeping attractive and inspected coops that are hidden from public view.

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The law that was cited by the city is way too vague to say that veggie gardens are excluded from being allowed in the front yard. They flower just like herbs and regular flower gardens. I think veggie gardens are very eye appealing. Some people think weeds look gorgeous. Should she have a flower garden consisting only of dandelions? After all, many flowers are considered weeds in other areas and I'm sure they'd find many dandelions in many front yards in their area... Hey, she could make great dandelion wine if she goes that route... Yum!

This case is absolutely ridiculous. I'm with Emily on this one, including the emissions given from a standard lawn mower which are generally higher than majority of cars. I heard they're starting to regulate this beginning in 2012 in the US.

http://www.peoplepoweredmachines.com/faq-environment.htm

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"culturedmom" wrote:

Ipersonally don't think it looks very nice and I can only imagine when the plants die and she is in the midst of replanting and tilling the soil, brown boxes of dirt don't look nice either. And the truth is, that your neighbors front yard does effect the price of your house which effects the city. So I totally get why we have HOA's and why their needs to be rules in place by the city. I just thinkt here can be a good medium between taking it down and and going to jail.

I also realize that there are two sides to every story. It's easy to make the city out ot be the villian here but if this woman knew the rules and still dispobeyed them, who's to say that she isn't more of a problem then the article makes it out to seem. Actually the more I find out about this story the more I think they might be exaggerating the "innocence" of this woman.

I agree the raw wooden boxes are kind of ugly. It seems like she could at least paint them or something so they would blend in a little better, or even not have the boxes at all. It seems like she is purposely trying to draw attention to it instead of incorporating the garden into the landscaping in a more inconspicuous way.

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I think that it's great and more people should do it.

It does bring up interesting issues of land ownership and challenge our concept of our "right to our land", when we choose to live surrounded by neighbors.

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Raised beds are a better way to garden than simply digging up the ground and planting there, IMO. You can choose your own soil mix to better yeild a good crop. It's easier to work in a raised bed. You get fewer weeds. And it does look better, IMO.

Melis...it is hard to draw the line. With my proposal to our municipality I pointed out that we already have laws in place about noise pollution, property maintenance and pest control. If I don't break those laws then how would a few chooks hurt my neighbours and their right to enjoyment of their property? Personally, I feel that a person should be able to do what they like with their property. Yes, a parking lot for a front lawn would detract from property value, but it doesn't hinder a neighbour from being able to enjoy THEIR property. On the other hand, noisy dogs can hinder others from enjoyment of their property. I draw the line where your 'enjoyment' hinders another's enjoyment of their property.

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"Potter75" wrote:

I think that it's great and more people should do it.

It does bring up interesting issues of land ownership and challenge our concept of our "right to our land", when we choose to live surrounded by neighbors.

I don't think anyone is saying this woman shouldn't have a vegetable garden. I think it is a fabulous idea to grow your own food and my family has really enjoyed our garden this year. I (and a few others) just think the garden belongs in the backyard. It really is an eyesore......

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If her backyard doesn't get 6 hours of sunlight then vegetables won't grow.

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I just think that it is sortov strange that we have this weird rule about where gardens belong. Don't they belong where the light and soil are best? Ours is on the side of our property as the back does not get nearly enough sunlight for vegetables.

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"Potter75" wrote:

I just think that it is sortov strange that we have this weird rule about where gardens belong. Don't they belong where the light and soil are best? Ours is on the side of our property as the back does not get nearly enough sunlight for vegetables.

She has raised beds....she can buy her own soil. As for sunlight, the side of the property is another good option if the backyard doesn't get enough light. I don't think it is strange to want the front of one's property (or neighbor's property) to be pleasing to the eye. Those large brown wooden boxes are just ugly. Sorry, but they are.

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I just mean the sun and soil thing as a generality. I don't think that the issue here is simply the raised beds, but the concept of garden in front as being unsightly in general.

Anyway, I really am all for it. I think that anything that offers up any chance of helping people eat better, save money, be industrious, learn about life/gardening/Earth, and ultimately slightly increase ones self sufficiency is good.

There are terrible lawns out there ~ there is this one total deadbeat house in a neighborhood around here ~ I run past it and it is the most horrible, depressing thing ever to see the lawn (which is cut) but the disgusting bushes and trees and dirt ~ the place is a disaster. I WISH they could do something about it, even though it isn't in my neighboorhood and does not affect me. It is horrible! I think that if someone had some sort of horrible garden, like this neighbor has a horrible lawn, people have the right to complain about it. Honestly though, my garden (raised bed and large pots/containers) is pretty! The plants blow around, it is neat and weeded, and this time of year is bursting at the seams! I don't know how anyone could argue that the sight of well tended, neat rows of lovely sun kissed organic fresh vegetables is "ugly". Its FOOD! The thing that sustains us all! Smile

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And, really, I don't care who is offended by the sight of my garden. You do what you will with your yard and I will with mine. You can't please everyone, nor should you try. I think that if it's obvious that the yard has been tended, who cares if it's veggies, grass, clover, trees, or a rock garden.

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"Potter75" wrote:

I just mean the sun and soil thing as a generality. I don't think that the issue here is simply the raised beds, but the concept of garden in front as being unsightly in general.

Anyway, I really am all for it. I think that anything that offers up any chance of helping people eat better, save money, be industrious, learn about life/gardening/Earth, and ultimately slightly increase ones self sufficiency is good.

There are terrible lawns out there ~ there is this one total deadbeat house in a neighborhood around here ~ I run past it and it is the most horrible, depressing thing ever to see the lawn (which is cut) but the disgusting bushes and trees and dirt ~ the place is a disaster. I WISH they could do something about it, even though it isn't in my neighboorhood and does not affect me. It is horrible! I think that if someone had some sort of horrible garden, like this neighbor has a horrible lawn, people have the right to complain about it. Honestly though, my garden (raised bed and large pots/containers) is pretty! The plants blow around, it is neat and weeded, and this time of year is bursting at the seams! I don't know how anyone could argue that the sight of well tended, neat rows of lovely sun kissed organic fresh vegetables is "ugly". Its FOOD! The thing that sustains us all! Smile

Well beauty is definitely in the eye of the beholder. Post some pics of your garden so I can be all opinionated and judge it! lol

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"Emilys4Guppies" wrote:

And, really, I don't care who is offended by the sight of my garden. You do what you will with your yard and I will with mine. You can't please everyone, nor should you try. I think that if it's obvious that the yard has been tended, who cares if it's veggies, grass, clover, trees, or a rock garden.

This is exactly why I love my HOA!

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Which is awesome. Towns should have neighbourhoods with HOAs and those without. I would never choose to live in a neighbourhood with an HOA but I know people who love theirs. This is why it should be up to the builder and not the municipality.

Here's my raised beds (in the backyard though...I just like to show it off). Tomatoes, carrots, green beans, zucchini, cucumbers, lettuce, beets, turnip, spinach and swiss chard growing there. Oh, those are potatoes in the middle box.

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Emily, I think it looks nice how you've put your beds along the fence line. Our neighbors have a privacy fence so I may have to add a bed or two along the line next Spring.

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Notice my environmentally friendly clover too? It's attempting to take over the grass and I'm too lazy to do anything about it. Besides, all the kids think it's pretty. LMAO!

We put the beds there because that is the part of our yard that gets the most sun. I like them too. Smile

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"Emilys4Guppies" wrote:

Notice my environmentally friendly clover too? It's attempting to take over the grass and I'm too lazy to do anything about it. Besides, all the kids think it's pretty. LMAO!

I'd prefer your clover to my neighbour's prickle bushes that have seeded themselves all over my lawn. My kids can't even play in the front yard without shoes on, and I don't mean sandals - I mean running shoes that cover their entire foot or else they'll end up with thorns in their feet.

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"Alana*sMommy" wrote:

I (and a few others) just think the garden belongs in the backyard. It really is an eyesore......

What about those of us that have a shaded back yard? If I did not have my garden in the front yard I could not have a garden. I am so thankful I live in an area that does not dictate what your lawn should look like within reason.

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"AlyssaEimers" wrote:

What about those of us that have a shaded back yard? If I did not have my garden in the front yard I could not have a garden. I am so thankful I live in an area that does not dictate what your lawn should look like within reason.

Don't you have a side yard?

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"Alana*sMommy" wrote:

Don't you have a side yard?

No. I have a 7'x11' raised bed. It is in the front yard but off to the side.

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"AlyssaEimers" wrote:

No. I have a 7'x11' raised bed. It is in the front yard but off to the side.

You don't have any yard on the side of your house?

If you don't have an HOA or close neighbors that care what your yard looks like then I see no harm in having a vegetable garden in your front yard. I think it is tacky, but that's why I live in a neighborhood with an HOA.

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"Alana*sMommy" wrote:

You don't have any yard on the side of your house?

No. There is not a lot of space between each house.

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We have a guy who lives nearby who has vegie gardens all around the outside of the fenceline on his place. There are about 5 garden beds at this place, are they an eyesore, not really, I love watching his produce grow. Where he is situated is right on the corner of a major highway as well.. I find the people who just concrete over their yard is more visually unappealing than veggie gardens in full view.

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"Emilys4Guppies" wrote:

Raised beds are a better way to garden than simply digging up the ground and planting there, IMO. You can choose your own soil mix to better yeild a good crop. It's easier to work in a raised bed. You get fewer weeds. And it does look better, IMO.

You can have raised beds without using raw lumber. Especially for the front yard she could have attempted to make it look a little nicer. I think it is that more than what is actually in the boxes.

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I like the look of raw lumber. I like that it's untreated, and not plastic to leach chemicals into my veggies. I would not use a plastic raised bed or a raised bed that's been stained or otherwise treated.

I have a very small sideyard too. Our lots are 30' wide...so our house is about 3' from my neighbour on one side and on the other there is 8' of space...so 4' wide of sideyard. There is room for a small garden up the side of the house and a path...I grow sunflowers and spinach in that side garden.

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I should post a pic of my front yard and you can all say how you would rather have veg gardens then my overgrown flower beds next door.:confused: I think hers at least look tidy and have a purpose, mine are just a big overgrown mess! I actually hate flowerbeds (hence the state of mine) because I feel that I get no return out of them. Especially in the front yard which I never use due to traffic by my house. I am hoping to tear out all my flowerbeds this fall and put in gravel (I have a fair amount of grass as well), it should also help with drainage around the house. I would love to have a garden, but just cant bring myself to do it in this house. Maybe next time:)

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I actually like her garden in the front, I bet it will look so pretty when all grown out. My grandmother's second home in Ordu, Turkey is 100% country. I love the cows, dirt, random trees, weeds, flowers, fire pits, gardens, etc.

Cookie cutter neighborhoods are pretty but I'm not picky. At the same time, I wouldn't want to see trash or spare tired or broken down cars.

As far as carbon footprint, we have a battery operated mower and our weed edger is also battery operated Smile

If the lady in the OP asked for permission though, and they said no, then that was wrong of her. Putting her jail for as long as they did was ridiculous, Lindsay Lohan and Paris Hilton didn't even serve that much, lol.

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"Emilys4Guppies" wrote:

I like the look of raw lumber. I like that it's untreated, and not plastic to leach chemicals into my veggies. I would not use a plastic raised bed or a raised bed that's been stained or otherwise treated.

I have a very small sideyard too. Our lots are 30' wide...so our house is about 3' from my neighbour on one side and on the other there is 8' of space...so 4' wide of sideyard. There is room for a small garden up the side of the house and a path...I grow sunflowers and spinach in that side garden.

Do you mind if I ask....do you live out in the country? My aunts are very similar to you in the way they do things and think about things. Thye ahvechickens and organic gardnes and hybrid cars and bicycles and solar powered things. But they choose to live in the country so their xeroscaped yards and chickens don't bother neighbors because their nearest neighbor is down the road a ways.

The pictures Gloria showed I am sure are materials created specifically for the use of gardening. Her point is that one could try and make the the beds more visually appealing since they are in full view of the community instead of just planks of wood nailed together. Especially in those inbetween growing times when the beds are simply boxes of dirt.

I don't know, I think on some level, people in communities need to give some thought to the needs of the other people living around them even if it overshadows their own wants to some degree. If not, they should live in the country where their wants don't effect those around them.

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I live in a "Farming town". Our municipality is 80% agriculture. However, we live 'in town' in a subdivision. We have a 30'x100' lot with a house on it. Smile I was born and raised in Toronto though and just moved here 2 years ago. It's weird going from a city of 5 million to a town of 20 000.

I do agree with you that communities do need to consider their neighbours. I also think that not mowing your lawn, or using it as a parking lot for rundown vehicles is what constitutes that...not maintaining well cared for garden beds that produce organic veggies. Smile I also believe that my neighbours who have 3 large dogs who bark, have stinky sh*t and are legal are more inconsiderate than someone with wel-maintained front yard gardens.

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"Emilys4Guppies" wrote:

I do agree with you that communities do need to consider their neighbours. I also think that not mowing your lawn, or using it as a parking lot for rundown vehicles is what constitutes that...not maintaining well cared for garden beds that produce organic veggies. Smile I also believe that my neighbours who have 3 large dogs who bark, have stinky sh*t and are legal are more inconsiderate than someone with wel-maintained front yard gardens.

Exactly...there are many, many things that would constitute as being tacky or less appealing than a garden. I live in a POA, they govern what goes in our yards and what color we paint out houses (we can only have 4 colors). I would much rather see a producing garden than barking dogs or cheesy little figurines all over a person's lawn.

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Our grass is dying. There is a severe drought in our area and we're one of the few families that is not watering their lawn daily. I've ran the sprinkler once in the last month so our yard looks terrible compared to the rest. I'm not wasting water for some grass unless I can get some other use with it too. The only reason it got watered was because I had three little boys who ran through the sprinkler. Would those that think that you should worry about your neighbors enjoyment of your lawn think that I should have to water it even though there is a "Conserve Water" sign posted at every entrance to our subdivision? Where do we draw the line with how far we have to go to keep a beautiful green grassy front yard?

vent-I wish I could call the cops every time my neighbor's dogs bark. We have two of those little yip yap dogs. One next to us and one behind us. AND they leave the damn things outside all night long. I've actually gone next door at three in the morning to knock to tell them I was going to kill their dog if they didn't do something and realized how crazy that was luckily before I did it. I bought earplugs the next day, but can't use them because I don't hear my alarm go off for work. Selfish buttholes. Why get the dog if you don't like it enough to let it sleep in the house when he's in there all day while you are at work? :rolleyes: The freaking idiots bought a chow puppy recently.:eek:

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