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    Many times increased health outcomes such as increased cancer rates is due in part to things like not having access to health insurance and not being able to be on a partner's insurance in order obtain screenings and subsequently treatment. Also, in the case of breast cancer lesbians are less likely to have a bio child by age 30 which ups their risk of breast cancer.

    I would also say that the link to increased lung and liver cancer is probably because of a higher rate of smoking and drinking which in many cases is escapist methods for being who they are in a society that shuns them and says they are not equal.
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    Gloria, you're misinterpreting the complaint. They're not talking about health problems that arise as a result of being gay, they're talking about health problems that arise as a result of homophobia and heterosexism. Here is an excerpt.

    A 2003 literature review estimated
    that as many 5,481 GLB Canadians die prematurely
    each year as a direct result of homophobia. 2, 3
    There are many factors causing a lower life expectancy
    for GLB Canadians, with the social isolation
    and marginalization caused by homophobia and heterosexism
    at the top of the list of major stressors in
    their lives. This is no surprise: We know that other
    populations such as Aboriginals, people of color, and
    the poor have poorer health status because of their
    marginalization.
    And this is what the lung & liver cancer is referring to, because being gay (or acting on being gay) does NOT make you susceptible to cancer.

    Because of higher rates of smoking and alcohol use, GLB populations
    are at a higher risk for lung and liver cancer.
    The sections before talk about why the smoking & alcohol rates are higher: persecution and/or marginalization.

    The rest goes the same way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by freddieflounder101 View Post
    Gloria, you're misinterpreting the complaint. They're not talking about health problems that arise as a result of being gay, they're talking about health problems that arise as a result of homophobia and heterosexism. Here is an excerpt.

    And this is what the lung & liver cancer is referring to, because being gay (or acting on being gay) does NOT make you susceptible to cancer.

    The sections before talk about why the smoking & alcohol rates are higher: persecution and/or marginalization.

    The rest goes the same way.
    And what is the reason for increased anal cancer rates?
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    Quote Originally Posted by GloriaInTX View Post
    And what is the reason for increased anal cancer rates?
    That is one of the few (perhaps the only) ones that can be attributed to a specific act. Of everything you listed, that's it. All of the others are about persecution and marginalization.

    So it's not the gay lifestyle that causes 95% of the issues you listed, it's the rest of society's treatment of gay people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by freddieflounder101 View Post
    That is one of the few (perhaps the only) ones that can be attributed to a specific act. Of everything you listed, that's it. All of the others are about persecution and marginalization.

    So it's not the gay lifestyle that causes 95% of the issues you listed, it's the rest of society's treatment of gay people.
    That is your interpretation. It doesn't make it fact.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GloriaInTX View Post
    That is your interpretation. It doesn't make it fact.
    No, that is not my interpretation. I finally read the complaint. You initially quoted an article that excerpted specific parts of it, leaving out the full information which is that it's not being gay that causes these health issues, it's being marginalized and persecuted that causes them. That's what it says in the complaint. You listed it as if it were a medical fact that being gay causes these problems, but it isn't. In fact, the complaint gives evidence about how other minority marginalized groups have experienced the same thing.

    I am hoping you didn't actually believe that being gay can give you lung cancer or shorten your lifespan.
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    Quote Originally Posted by freddieflounder101 View Post
    No, that is not my interpretation. I finally read the complaint. You initially quoted an article that excerpted specific parts of it, leaving out the full information which is that it's not being gay that causes these health issues, it's being marginalized and persecuted that causes them. That's what it says in the complaint. You listed it as if it were a medical fact that being gay causes these problems, but it isn't. In fact, the complaint gives evidence about how other minority marginalized groups have experienced the same thing.

    I am hoping you didn't actually believe that being gay can give you lung cancer or shorten your lifespan.
    I think that most bigots actually do believe it, or want to believe it. The fewer gays on the planet, the better, right? I mean, I really do believe there's an unspoken wish on the part of many bigots that GLB's would just kill themselves off, what with their gay diseases and all.

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    FTR, I just wanted to say that I know a ton of people against homosexual marriage, and none of them or at least very few would use this argument. I couldn't care less what you do in your bedroom gay or straight and I do not think either way it will shorten your life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by freddieflounder101 View Post
    No, that is not my interpretation. I finally read the complaint. You initially quoted an article that excerpted specific parts of it, leaving out the full information which is that it's not being gay that causes these health issues, it's being marginalized and persecuted that causes them. That's what it says in the complaint. You listed it as if it were a medical fact that being gay causes these problems, but it isn't. In fact, the complaint gives evidence about how other minority marginalized groups have experienced the same thing.

    I am hoping you didn't actually believe that being gay can give you lung cancer or shorten your lifespan.
    No I don't believe just being gay causes it. There are a whole host of things associated with the gay lifestyle that are higher risk behavior and the combination DOES shorten their lifespan by putting them at higher risk of AIDs and many other health problems.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GloriaInTX View Post
    And what is the reason for increased anal cancer rates?
    Hmmm....it would appear women are diagnosed with slightly higher rates of anal cancer than men.

    It is estimated that 6,230 men and women (2,250 men and 3,980 women) will be diagnosed with and 780 men and women will die of cancer of the anus, anal canal, and anorectum in 2012

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