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    Quote Originally Posted by GloriaInTX View Post
    So since the chance of getting lung cancer in men is higher than women, is it ok for women to smoke because thier risk of getting cancer is still lower than the risk for men?
    To parallel the suggestion gay men shouldn't have anal sex due to the increased risk of anal cancer would be to suggest it's okay for men to smoke.

    37% of anal cancer diagnosis are men.
    63% woman.
    Better tell men to stop being gay due to increased risk for anal cancer.

    53% of lung cancer diagnosis are men.
    47% women.
    Better tell women to quit smoking due to increased risk for lung cancer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by freddieflounder101 View Post
    "Ex-gays" indeed. They are choosing to move forward and pretend they aren't gay now that "treatment" has convinced them that what they are is wrong and bad. Hardly a positive, since it is not neither.

    And I agree that teens can struggle and come out on either end. I think there's a continuum and people fall at different places on it. I've had friends who identified as bisexual for a while and then ended up realizing that their preference for one gender was a lot stronger. I think there are people who are somewhere in the middle, and they have more choice than the rest of us. The only advantage I see to being straight over gay is societal/legal, plus the ability to have children naturally if you desire, although of course many straight couples can't do that either.

    I do indeed believe it is harmful to teach someone that what they are is wrong when it isn't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GloriaInTX View Post
    Whatever you think might happen... it hasn't. It isn't abuse and there is no proof that it is despite your opinion. And that really is the point that those who are religious do care about their child's soul and no one has the right to infringe on their religious freedom to teach that child that their behavior is wrong.
    Quote Originally Posted by GloriaInTX View Post
    It's a good thing that we have thought police around that can tell what they are really thinking.
    You, yourself are saying you want them to realize what they were thinking is wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlyssaEimers View Post
    It was in response to someone saying not allowing your child to act gay is abuse. It is not, and saying so is very offensive.
    What does it mean to "act gay" in this context? If you're referring to the post you quoted, she was talking about BEING gay.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ethanwinfield View Post
    To parallel the suggestion gay men shouldn't have anal sex due to the increased risk of anal cancer would be to suggest it's okay for men to smoke.

    37% of anal cancer diagnosis are men.
    63% woman.
    Better tell men to stop being gay due to increased risk for anal cancer.

    53% of lung cancer diagnosis are men.
    47% women.
    Better tell women to quit smoking due to increased risk for lung cancer.
    This is laughable since when we had a debate about tanning beds everyone was up in arms about a risk that is only .03% in the first place, but yet no one was saying go tan anyway. Anal cancer is just one factor in the health risks attributed to being gay. The HIV risk is another HUGE factor. If they want to take the risks that is their decision. But no one has the right to tell a parent that they don't have the right to obtain therapy for their child when these are proven risks of the gay lifestyle and there is NO proof that the therapy is harmful.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GloriaInTX View Post
    This is laughable since when we had a debate about tanning beds everyone was up in arms about a risk that is only .03% in the first place, but yet no one was saying go tan anyway. Anal cancer is just one factor in the health risks attributed to being gay. The HIV risk is another HUGE factor. If they want to take the risks that is their decision. But no one has the right to tell a parent that they don't have the right to obtain therapy for their child when these are proven risks of the gay lifestyle and there is NO proof that the therapy is harmful.
    So all the professional organizations that say it's harmful just get ignored?

    And how about gay women? Anal cancer's off the table there. HIV risk is significantly decreased. And in fact, it's not being gay that puts you at risk for HIV, it's having unprotected sex.

    And again, please stop saying "the gay lifestyle". It doesn't mean anything unless you're talking about a specific gay lifestyle that you then explain. There's no grandiose, all-encompassing "gay lifestyle".
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    Quote Originally Posted by ethanwinfield View Post
    You, yourself are saying you want them to realize what they were thinking is wrong.
    Really were did I say that? Because what you quoted was
    their religious freedom to teach that child that their behavior is wrong.
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    It's a good thing that we have thought police around that can tell what they are really thinking.
    was in response to the assumption that Ex-Gays are pretending they aren't gay and so therefore the thought police must be interpreting their real thoughts since they SAY they have changed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GloriaInTX View Post
    This is laughable since when we had a debate about tanning beds everyone was up in arms about a risk that is only .03% in the first place, but yet no one was saying go tan anyway. Anal cancer is just one factor in the health risks attributed to being gay. The HIV risk is another HUGE factor. If they want to take the risks that is their decision. But no one has the right to tell a parent that they don't have the right to obtain therapy for their child when these are proven risks of the gay lifestyle and there is NO proof that the therapy is harmful.
    Sorry, I didn't debate that one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlyssaEimers View Post
    Not wanting your child to engage in any (straight or not) sexual relationship before the age of 18 is not abuse. As a parent you have the right to not allow your child to engage in any romantic relationship. You are not denying any basic human right to allow your child to date gay or straight. As an adult, if you want to pursue sexual relationships it is completely different than not allowing your child to. Are you going to say that it is abuse to not allow your child to engage in tons of different sexual relationships risking a host of diseases? The government does not have any business telling parents who and when their child is allowed to date. I would not encourage my children to have any sexual relationship (straight or not) before the age of 18. That is not abuse.
    We're not talking about sexual ACTIVITY, we're talking about sexual ORIENTATION. I don't want my child to have sex before she's 18, or for a while after she's 18, either, but I'm certainly not going to tell her that her sexual orientation, whatever it is, is wrong or bad or will keep her from getting into heaven or anything else. She is the way she is, and I embrace that. She's not mine to change. I will help her nurture healthy romantic relationships with whomever she is drawn to love.

    I can't understand how people who believe God created their children, seem to believe that that same God must have made a mistake in making some of them gay.
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    Quote Originally Posted by freddieflounder101 View Post
    So all the professional organizations that say it's harmful just get ignored?

    And how about gay women? Anal cancer's off the table there. HIV risk is significantly decreased. And in fact, it's not being gay that puts you at risk for HIV, it's having unprotected sex.

    And again, please stop saying "the gay lifestyle". It doesn't mean anything unless you're talking about a specific gay lifestyle that you then explain. There's no grandiose, all-encompassing "gay lifestyle".
    The APA itself states that there is no proof that you are born gay. So isn't it a little contradictory for them to claim conversion therapy is harmful?

    There is no consensus among scientists about the exact reasons that an individual develops a heterosexual, bisexual, gay, or lesbian orientation. Although much research has examined the possible genetic, hormonal, developmental, social, and cultural influences on sexual orientation, no findings have emerged that permit scientists to conclude that sexual orientation is determined by any particular factor or factors. Many think that nature and nurture both play complex roles; most people experience little or no sense of choice about their sexual orientation.
    Even if there was no risk involved it still wouldn't be right for anyone to tell parents what treatment plan they can use for their child.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GloriaInTX View Post
    This is laughable since when we had a debate about tanning beds everyone was up in arms about a risk that is only .03% in the first place, but yet no one was saying go tan anyway. Anal cancer is just one factor in the health risks attributed to being gay. The HIV risk is another HUGE factor. If they want to take the risks that is their decision. But no one has the right to tell a parent that they don't have the right to obtain therapy for their child when these are proven risks of the gay lifestyle and there is NO proof that the therapy is harmful.
    The HIV risk is much lower for teens who embrace their sexuality and adopt safe sex practices until they are in a loving, monogamous relationship. That stands for straights and gays. It's the kids who feel they need to hide things from people who take those risks.
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