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    Gloria, I can't believe you posted this quote.

    There is no consensus among scientists about the exact reasons that an individual develops a heterosexual, bisexual, gay, or lesbian orientation. Although much research has examined the possible genetic, hormonal, developmental, social, and cultural influences on sexual orientation, no findings have emerged that permit scientists to conclude that sexual orientation is determined by any particular factor or factors. Many think that nature and nurture both play complex roles; most people experience little or no sense of choice about their sexual orientation.
    I don't know where it's from but it makes my point and not yours.

    No choice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GloriaInTX View Post
    originally Posted by ethanwinfield
    You, yourself are saying you want them to realize what they were thinking is wrong.
    Really were did I say that? Because what you quoted was their religious freedom to teach that child that their behavior is wrong.
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    It's a good thing that we have thought police around that can tell what they are really thinking.
    was in response to the assumption that Ex-Gays are pretending they aren't gay and so therefore the thought police must be interpreting their real thoughts since they SAY they have changed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spacers View Post
    We're not talking about sexual ACTIVITY, we're talking about sexual ORIENTATION. I don't want my child to have sex before she's 18, or for a while after she's 18, either, but I'm certainly not going to tell her that her sexual orientation, whatever it is, is wrong or bad or will keep her from getting into heaven or anything else. She is the way she is, and I embrace that. She's not mine to change. I will help her nurture healthy romantic relationships with whomever she is drawn to love.
    This is your choice, but it does not mean that anyone who parents their child differently than you are abusing them. To say that someone who deeply loves their child is abusing them is a smack against children who really are being abused.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ethanwinfield View Post
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    Huh?
    Post 62 Is a link to a behavior change program
    Post 66 Is saying we shouldn't trust criminals and they should serve their sentence
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    So you don't think it's abuse to be told that the way you were born is wrong, that they way that you feel inside is wrong? You don't consider that to be abuse? I sure do, and hopefully the voters in California are going to agree. You have the right to teach your children that sexual activity is wrong, even that homosexual activity is wrong, but you do not have the right to tell them that THEY ARE WRONG, and that is exactly what this "cure" does. It's abusive, and it needs to be illegal.

    Emotional abuse (or psychological abuse) is a pattern of behavior that impairs a child's emotional development or sense of self-worth. This may include constant criticism, threats, or rejection, as well as withholding love, support, or guidance. Emotional abuse is often difficult to prove and, therefore, child protective services may not be able to intervene without evidence of harm or mental injury to the child. Emotional abuse is almost always present when other forms are identified.
    http://www.childwelfare.gov/pubs/fac.../whatiscan.cfm

    This also helps explain why the studies haven't been able to identify proof that this "therapy" is harmful. Emotional abuse is difficult to prove, but that doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
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    Quote Originally Posted by freddieflounder101 View Post
    Gloria, I can't believe you posted this quote.



    I don't know where it's from but it makes my point and not yours.

    No choice.

    Nobody knows where it comes from; only that some people are gay and some are straight and some are bi.
    Does it really? Maybe you should read it a little closer. It states there is no scientific proof but many people think it is both nature and nuture, and most people experience little or no sense of choice. The doesn't mean they have no choice, just that they think they have no choice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spacers View Post
    So you don't think it's abuse to be told that the way you were born is wrong, that they way that you feel inside is wrong? You don't consider that to be abuse? I sure do, and hopefully the voters in California are going to agree. You have the right to teach your children that sexual activity is wrong, even that homosexual activity is wrong, but you do not have the right to tell them that THEY ARE WRONG, and that is exactly what this "cure" does. It's abusive, and it needs to be illegal.
    Respectfully, I completely disagree. Abuse to me is not telling someone they did something wrong or believe something wrong. I know a little girl who is friends with my oldest. It was recently discovered that her father had been raping her for years. That is abuse. Beating a child is abuse. Telling a child that the Bible teaches homosexuality is wrong, is not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlyssaEimers View Post
    Respectfully, I completely disagree. Abuse to me is not telling someone they did something wrong or believe something wrong. I know a little girl who is friends with my oldest. It was recently discovered that her father had been raping her for years. That is abuse. Beating a child is abuse. Telling a child that the Bible teaches homosexuality is wrong, is not.
    Did you see the quote in my post about emotional abuse? Emotional abuse is as devastating as physical abuse, sometimes moreso because no one outside the situation can see what's going on. You go to school with bruises, CPS is called; that doesn't happen so much with emotional abuse. Again, the issue isn't your right to teach your child your beliefs, I'm perfectly fine with that. What you don't have the right to do is subject your child to the emotional abuse that this "therapy" is, and you don't have the right to emotionally abuse your child by telling him that his thoughts & feelings are bad & wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spacers View Post
    Did you see the quote in my post about emotional abuse? Emotional abuse is as devastating as physical abuse, sometimes moreso because no one outside the situation can see what's going on. You go to school with bruises, CPS is called; that doesn't happen so much with emotional abuse. Again, the issue isn't your right to teach your child your beliefs, I'm perfectly fine with that. What you don't have the right to do is subject your child to the emotional abuse that this "therapy" is, and you don't have the right to emotionally abuse your child by telling him that his thoughts & feelings are bad & wrong.
    What about adults that want to try this therapy? Watched a show on this the other night (Our America with Lisa Ling) and every person that tried this was an adult. Is it abuse then?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spacers View Post
    Did you see the quote in my post about emotional abuse? Emotional abuse is as devastating as physical abuse, sometimes moreso because no one outside the situation can see what's going on. You go to school with bruises, CPS is called; that doesn't happen so much with emotional abuse. Again, the issue isn't your right to teach your child your beliefs, I'm perfectly fine with that. What you don't have the right to do is subject your child to the emotional abuse that this "therapy" is, and you don't have the right to emotionally abuse your child by telling him that his thoughts & feelings are bad & wrong.
    So what if you believed masterbation was wrong and taught your child not to. Is that abuse? I can agree that telling your child they are a worthless peace of pooh because they are gay is verbal abuse. You can tell someone, however, that homosexuality is wrong and try to get them to not practice those behaviors without calling the person mean names or belittling them.

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