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    Quote Originally Posted by mom3girls View Post
    What about adults that want to try this therapy? Watched a show on this the other night (Our America with Lisa Ling) and every person that tried this was an adult. Is it abuse then?
    I hesitate to say it's OK simply if you're an adult, because there are a lot of 18-year-olds who are still subjected to a lot of parental pressure & control because they still live at home or their parents are paying their tuition & board at college, or whatever. If the person is a legal adult, and if they choose to do this willingly without undue pressure from anyone, then I'm fine with it. I'm not OK with this "therapy" being forced on anyone of any age, but I'm especially not OK with it being forced on minor children.

    Here's the text of the law if anyone's interested.
    Bill Text - SB-1172 Sexual orientation change efforts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spacers View Post
    If the person is a legal adult, and if they choose to do this willingly without undue pressure from anyone, then I'm fine with it. I'm not OK with this "therapy" being forced on anyone of any age, but I'm especially not OK with it being forced on minor children.
    Is there anywhere in the OP that says we were only talking about children under the age of 18? I read your link and it said only under the age of 18. I had been thinking we were talking about making any and all counselling against homosexuality of any age illegal. I of course think that is crazy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlyssaEimers View Post
    So what if you believed masterbation was wrong and taught your child not to. Is that abuse? I can agree that telling your child they are a worthless peace of pooh because they are gay is verbal abuse. You can tell someone, however, that homosexuality is wrong and try to get them to not practice those behaviors without calling the person mean names or belittling them.
    The fact that you are trying to change who they are *IS* belitting them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AlyssaEimers View Post
    Is there anywhere in the OP that says we were only talking about children under the age of 18? I read your link and it said only under the age of 18. I had been thinking we were talking about making any and all counselling against homosexuality of any age illegal. I of course think that is crazy.
    Yes, the third paragraph of the quoted article in the OP states: "Two months ago, Guay testified at a hearing on a new bill in the California State Legislature that would ban the "gay cure," as this type of therapy is known. The bill is the first of its kind in the U.S., and observers expect it to pass by the end of August. If Gov. Jerry Brown (D) signs it, licensed therapists who try to change the sexual orientation of minors will run the risk of losing their licenses."


    Also, somewhere along the line it was said that this was up for a vote in California, and I think I repeated that. It's not. It's been voted out by the Senate & the Assembly, and is awaiting the Governor's signature. Gov. Brown hasn't indicated whether he's supportive or not, but he has a long history of protecting minors' rights so a lot of people expect him to support this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spacers View Post
    licensed therapists who try to change the sexual orientation of minors will run the risk of losing their licenses."
    Ahh, I must not have read closely enough. I totally missed that it was just for minors.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GloriaInTX View Post
    Huh?
    Post 62 Is a link to a behavior change program
    Yep...post 62 is your link to Welcome to The Center for Behavior Therapy, Cognitive Behavior Therapy
    Cognitive Behavior Therapy (CBT) focuses on the role of dysfunctional, automatic thoughts (or cognitions). The way we think will always determine our emotions?or the way we feel.

    Our automatic thoughts or perceptions, if unreasonable, obsessive, misguided, or unrealistic, will cause certain feelings like: anxiety, fear, uncertainty, sadness, hopelessness, helplessness, self-doubt and depression. These negative emotions or feelings can be painful and paralyzing giving rise to unwanted behaviors like: anger, lack of confidence, being judgmental, detachment, compulsiveness, bad habits, nervousness, panic, and shyness, to name a few.

    CBT helps identify your negative, distorted thinking and beliefs, and replaces these thoughts and beliefs with rational, adaptive, functional thinking. This results in new feelings and adaptive behavior making it easier to cope and feel happy. The difficulties of your life become more manageable and the quality of one?s life increases.
    You change the behavior by changing the thoughts.

    Post 66 Is saying we shouldn't trust criminals and they should serve their sentence
    You made a comment about the "thought police" based on someone saying "cured" gays haven't changed their thoughts, they are just pretending they are straight. You don't seem to acknowledge this possibility with gays, yet you readily acknowledge pedophiles might be lying about being "cured."

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    Quote Originally Posted by GloriaInTX View Post
    Does it really? Maybe you should read it a little closer. It states there is no scientific proof but many people think it is both nature and nuture, and most people experience little or no sense of choice. The doesn't mean they have no choice, just that they think they have no choice.
    You're adding your own ideas to what it says. Saying "we don't know what makes one gay or straight" doesn't mean "there's no proof people are born gay so they're not." Experiencing no sense of choice is the same thing as not having a choice. . .it's just a phrase and you've decided to add your own spin to it.

    Anyway. . .I find this view morally abhorrent and I'm stepping out of this one. You shut out what you don't want to hear, and pick at words and phrases to try to back up a position that has no real scientific basis. It's bigotry and it's depressing me that people still think this way. I'm tired of it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by freddieflounder101 View Post
    You're adding your own ideas to what it says. Saying "we don't know what makes one gay or straight" doesn't mean "there's no proof people are born gay so they're not." Experiencing no sense of choice is the same thing as not having a choice. . .it's just a phrase and you've decided to add your own spin to it.
    Actually it is the APA that was very careful in how they worded it. The could easily have said no choice but they didn't. Experiencing no sense of choice is not the same thing as not having a choice, and they said MOST not all. They have been trying for more than 20 years to find a gay gene and it doesn't exist.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GloriaInTX View Post
    Actually it is the APA that was very careful in how they worded it. The could easily have said no choice but they didn't. Experiencing no sense of choice is not the same thing as not having a choice, and they said MOST not all. They have been trying for more than 20 years to find a gay gene and it doesn't exist.
    They will probably find "gay gene" as soon as they find our "heterosexual gene"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jessica80 View Post
    They will probably find "gay gene" as soon as they find our "heterosexual gene"
    They have found that one is male and one is female.
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