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    Quote Originally Posted by ethanwinfield View Post
    Or the voters...
    How do you mean? Do you mean that the voters will take away freedom of religion? Or that voters will make a law banning parents from teaching their children that homosexuality is wrong? Not being snarking, just trying to figure out exactly what you are referring to.

    (No, parents do not have absolute rights when it comes to their children. I know of a family that just lost all of their children. The courts deemed them unsafe and removed them from the home. However in the case of religion, we do have the right to raise our children however we see fit unless a judge comes in and says otherwise.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by GloriaInTX View Post
    And you can be gay and change your mind. As this man did.

    To Ricky with love*You can resist
    He didn't change his mind as much as he is saying he "resisted" his homosexual temptations. Much like I may resist the temptation to have a glass of wine if I'm driving. Doesn't mean I don't really want that glass of wine and it doesn't make this man any less homosexual.

    I won't deny that gay people don't HAVE to act on their urges but why shouldn't they? I get to act on my sexual urges but I'm lucky because I'm attracted to men? So I can be "natural" and have sex with the type of person I want to but they don't? I call b/s on that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jessica80 View Post
    He didn't change his mind as much as he is saying he "resisted" his homosexual temptations. Much like I may resist the temptation to have a glass of wine if I'm driving. Doesn't mean I don't really want that glass of wine and it doesn't make this man any less homosexual.

    I won't deny that gay people don't HAVE to act on their urges but why shouldn't they? I get to act on my sexual urges but I'm lucky because I'm attracted to men? So I can be "natural" and have sex with the type of person I want to but they don't? I call b/s on that.
    Exactly. Because it's NOT a behavior. It's NOT an illness. It's just who you are. You can resist it if it serves you because you are surrounded by intolerant people who think homosexuality is wrong and your life sucks being gay around them, but it doesn't make you not gay.

    And yes to the second point too. It's okay for me to have sex with my husband but not for my gay friends to have sex with their spouses? Really? That's a moral issue? And needs "curing"? Please.
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    Quote Originally Posted by freddieflounder101 View Post
    Exactly. Because it's NOT a behavior. It's NOT an illness. It's just who you are. You can resist it if it serves you because you are surrounded by intolerant people who think homosexuality is wrong and your life sucks being gay around them, but it doesn't make you not gay.

    And yes to the second point too. It's okay for me to have sex with my husband but not for my gay friends to have sex with their spouses? Really? That's a moral issue? And needs "curing"? Please.
    Well obviously that is a point we will continue to disagree on because I don't believe you are born gay, no more than you are born a alcoholic or peadophile or a rapist or a murderer. There is no evidence to prove otherwise. There is no gay gene.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GloriaInTX View Post
    Well obviously that is a point we will continue to disagree on because I don't believe you are born gay, no more than you are born a alcoholic or peadophile or a rapist or a murderer. There is no evidence to prove otherwise. There is no gay gene.
    Love your comparisons. Not. Would you compare being hetereosexual to being a pedophile or a rapist or a murderer? Do you believe you were born straight?
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    Quote Originally Posted by freddieflounder101 View Post
    Love your comparisons. Not. Would you compare being hetereosexual to being a pedophile or a rapist or a murderer? Do you believe you were born straight?
    Those are all behaviors. Just like being gay is a behavior. To ask if I as born straight is kind of a trick question. I think I was born a female. You are born either a male or female. Designed for each other. There is no straight or gay when you are born. You follow God's plan or you don't. That is behavior.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GloriaInTX View Post
    Those are all behaviors. Just like being gay is a behavior. To ask if I as born straight is kind of a trick question. I think I was born a female. You are born either a male or female. Designed for each other. There is no straight or gay when you are born. You follow God's plan or you don't. That is behavior.
    So you have no inclination one way or the other? You're not attracted to men? Or you are equally attracted to women?
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    Quote Originally Posted by GloriaInTX View Post
    Those are all behaviors. Just like being gay is a behavior. To ask if I as born straight is kind of a trick question. I think I was born a female. You are born either a male or female. Designed for each other. There is no straight or gay when you are born. You follow God's plan or you don't. That is behavior.
    So Gloria, using your example isn't heterosexual sex/attraction also a behavior? Are you saying I could just snap my fingers and stop being attracted to my husband or finding the UPS guy kind of cute? I don't find the woman who delivers my mail hot but the last UPS guy....absolutely! I guess we'll disagree because it seems awfully weird to me that all these gay people just like being gay for the heck of it. I also think God has individual plans for us. We're not sheep. We don't all have to do the same thing. That is our purpose for this round on earth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jessica80 View Post
    So Gloria, using your example isn't heterosexual sex/attraction also a behavior? Are you saying I could just snap my fingers and stop being attracted to my husband or finding the UPS guy kind of cute? I don't find the woman who delivers my mail hot but the last UPS guy....absolutely! I guess we'll disagree because it seems awfully weird to me that all these gay people just like being gay for the heck of it. I also think God has individual plans for us. We're not sheep. We don't all have to do the same thing. That is our purpose for this round on earth.
    Absolutely. Through your experiences you have learned to become attracted to certain types of men. Some are attracted to men with muscular bodies. I don't really find that attractive myself. Some like blondes, some brunettes. And just because you find someone attractive doesn't mean you are forced to act on that attraction because you can't help yourself. If you are married you probably shouldn't be flirting with the UPS guy even if you find him attractive.
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    Well, I'm not flirting with him. Just took the package he had for me lol. Just kidding though. Although that is a good debate question as I don't think flirting is necessarily a harmful thing in a marriage either.

    And I didn't learn to be attracted to different people it was just a part of me. I remember my first "crush" I was like 3 or 4 and it was my cousin's neighbor. I've consistently been attracted to similar looking guys my whole life. Tall guys, dark hair, dark eyes. Nobody told me that was the way to go. It wasn't experience as how much experience do you have as a preschooler or an elementary school kid.
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