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    Quote Originally Posted by GloriaInTX View Post
    Have I said anywhere that gays should be forced into some kind of treatment program to change? NO the whole topic is the opposite, that some people want to take away the option of a treatment program for gay people that DO want to change.
    Why do they need a treatment program if being gay isn't who they are, just a behavior they're choosing?
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    Quote Originally Posted by freddieflounder101 View Post
    Why do they need a treatment program if being gay isn't who they are, just a behavior they're choosing?
    Are you saying that there are no treatment programs to change behavior?

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    Quote Originally Posted by GloriaInTX View Post
    Well obviously that is a point we will continue to disagree on because I don't believe you are born gay, no more than you are born a alcoholic or peadophile or a rapist or a murderer. There is no evidence to prove otherwise. There is no gay gene.
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    Are you saying that there are no treatment programs to change behavior?

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    Let's go with this. You've cited anecdotal evidence that people can change their sexual orientation through "gay cure" therapy. You are now comparing homosexuality to pedophiles, rapists, and murderers.

    Our prisons are full of the above-mentioned criminals. Now, let's say there are pedophiles in prison who truly want to change. They go through the "cure" therapy and say they are cured.

    Is that good enough? Should we allow pedophiles, rapists, and murderers out of prison based on their word that they have changed? Or once you become a pedophile, you will always a pedophile?

    I'm not saying pedophiles are born that way, which actually if you go by the premise that gays aren't either, gives even more credence to pedophiles being able to change.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GloriaInTX View Post
    So you never saw your parents or any other male/female relationships before that moment you got to school?
    Of course I did. That's silly. However, I didn't understand romantic love/chemistry/physical attraction. I saw my parents hold hands and kiss, but that was just gross to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GloriaInTX View Post
    That just proves my point. You associate dark hair, dark eyes with your cousins neighbor so that is what you find attractive. If the neighbor had been blonde who knows your life might have been different. It wasn't inborn in you to like men with dark hair.
    No the kid was super rotten to me so I don't associate him with a good feeling lol. It is just that I never had any experience with opposite sex and that is just the type I'm designed to be attracted too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ethanwinfield View Post
    Let's go with this. You've cited anecdotal evidence that people can change their sexual orientation through "gay cure" therapy. You are now comparing homosexuality to pedophiles, rapists, and murderers.

    Our prisons are full of the above-mentioned criminals. Now, let's say there are pedophiles in prison who truly want to change. They go through the "cure" therapy and say they are cured.

    Is that good enough? Should we allow pedophiles, rapists, and murderers out of prison based on their word that they have changed? Or once you become a pedophile, you will always a pedophile?

    I'm not saying pedophiles are born that way, which actually if you go by the premise that gays aren't either, gives even more credence to pedophiles being able to change.
    Of course not. That is why we have a parole system to make sure that they don't relapse into that same behavior. I do think pedophiles can change if they really want to, otherwise we would just lock them up for life. That doesn't mean that we should trust them because if they relapse it is criminal behavior. As I think you would agree, gay behavior is not criminal.

    ETA: Prison is not only about rehabilitation it is also punishment. Just because you change doesn't mean you don't have to pay the consequences for what you have done.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GloriaInTX View Post
    Are you saying that there are no treatment programs to change behavior?

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    So homosexual attraction and sexual acts is a bad habit like biting nails or people dealing with OCD tendencies. Behavioral therapy is to help with things beyond our control that are hindering a positive life experience. Why is being gay negative?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jessica80 View Post
    So homosexual attraction and sexual acts is a bad habit like biting nails or people dealing with OCD tendencies. Behavioral therapy is to help with things beyond our control that are hindering a positive life experience. Why is being gay negative?
    Because of all the people who judge, who think it's wrong, who want to keep gay people from marrying each other, who think they need behavioral therapy. . .
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    Quote Originally Posted by freddieflounder101 View Post

    It takes YEARS for many gay people to get comfortable with being gay, especially when they live in places that are intolerant. Gay teens commit suicide because of it. People spend years trying to be "happy" in straight marriages/relationships before they finally give up and come out, with tremendous struggle and difficulty. Sometimes they lose their families, the support of their friends & neighbors because they just can't deny their true nature anymore. That's happiness?
    So if there are so many people who are so unhappy being gay that they commit suicide, why would you make the only option being openly gay? Why make it illegal to have any therapy other than "If you have gay tendencies you must live as a gay person". If a person wants counselling to change, why should they not be allowed? If someone does not want to give up all of the things that you said above they should have to because that would further the gay movement? What will it help to make counselling illegal?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jessica80 View Post
    So homosexual attraction and sexual acts is a bad habit like biting nails or people dealing with OCD tendencies. Behavioral therapy is to help with things beyond our control that are hindering a positive life experience. Why is being gay negative?
    Because God said it is a sin.

    Besides all the negative physical aspects of the body being used in a way it wasn't designed for.

    http://www.catholiceducation.org/art...ho0075.html#07
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