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    Quote Originally Posted by Danifo View Post
    This is an interesting idea because it also bothers me. Our justice system is set up in such a way that it is supposed to be "innocent until proven guilty" and once declared not guilty, should be treated as if they hadn't been charged. Unless someone else is convicted of the crime or other evidence comes out proving guilt of another party though, we usually base our opinions based on the information presented in the media and no verdict changes that.

    I mean, realistically, I would be nervous as a black guy walking near Zimmerman, I would not date someone with a history like OJ and I would not want Casey Anthony looking after my children. There are lots of cases of wrongly convicted people but if their trials had ended not guilty, people would have still probably treated them like they were. That is a sad life to lead.
    I'll have to look for the article I read about self defense and SYG. Many of the people who use self defense and are acquitted have a previous arrest record or go on to commit other (often violent) crimes. In one case a man was acquitted and then killed again in "self defense" and was acquitted again. We like to think of this theory/law as protecting victims of home invasions or similar but in reality, I don't think that's what the majority of the cases are.

    I think part of the problem is the burden of proof when it comes to minute details. At the very basic level, if my daughter took a cookie without my permission, it's not enough that a cookie is missing. I didn't see her take it. Any fingerprints or DNA would be expected since she has touched the cookie jar before. There are no crumbs on her fingers or face because she has washed them. No cookie remnants in her mouth because she brushed her teeth. Fortunately, as her mother I can punish her anyway.

    But translated into the Casey Anthony trial it boiled down to the fact that the prosecution couldn't prove cause of death. What a clever defense. She drowned. There's no proof she didn't drown, nor is their proof she was suffocated. Why? Because the body had decomposed too much.

    Maybe we need to look at how we define "reasonable doubt." If I didn't witness it first hand, how much does it take to convince me it happened the way you (general) say it happened? If you are the prosecution, you have to convince me 100% based on the letter of the law; if you are the defense, what is the percentage? Is just 1/10th of 1 percent enough? 1%?

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    As I said, you do not have to like him. His safety, the safety of his family and friends, the safety of the people he helped, that should not be threatened. People should not be so hateful that he has to go into hiding. He has every much a legal right to walk along the street as anyone else.

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    I don't think he should have to go into hiding either. I agree with you there. I don't believe in vigilante justice (oh the irony!!!) I don't actually believe that this family is in any danger, and I'm not sure that even they believe they are in any danger. As I said earlier, it sounds more to me like his lawyer tried to bulldoze these poor people into giving a press conference to "prove" what a "good guy" GZ is, and then they decided that they didn't want any part of the media circus. I admit that GZ himself is possibly in danger though. I don't agree with it, but I do find it ironic that now GZ has to live in fear of being followed and attacked by a man with a gun.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alissa_Sal View Post
    I don't think he should have to go into hiding either. I agree with you there. I don't believe in vigilante justice (oh the irony!!!) I don't actually believe that this family is in any danger, and I'm not sure that even they believe they are in any danger. As I said earlier, it sounds more to me like his lawyer tried to bulldoze these poor people into giving a press conference to "prove" what a "good guy" GZ is, and then they decided that they didn't want any part of the media circus. I admit that GZ himself is possibly in danger though. I don't agree with it, but I do find it ironic that now GZ has to live in fear of being followed and attacked by a man with a gun.

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    Ya he is so toxic that the city Detroit is spending time discussing GZ instead of focusing on the fact that they are going bankrupt
    and their own problems with crime. Makes sense.

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    If I was TM's Mom I would be using my influence on TV interviews to ask people to stop committing violence in my son's name.

    A weekend robbery in a racially diverse neighborhood of Washington may have been a hate crime, police said.

    "This is for Trayvon Martin," one of the three black men told a white man as they approached him early Saturday, according to Washington Metropolitan Police Officer Anthony Clay.

    The alleged robbery happened two weeks after a Florida jury acquitted George Zimmerman in the 2012 death of African-American teenager Trayvon Martin.

    The men kicked the adult white male as they took his iPhone and wallet, Clay said Sunday.

    The man, who has not been publicly identified, suffered minor injuries and refused medical treatment, he said.

    There have been no arrests, but police are investigating the incident as a hate crime, he said.

    It happened in the Adams Morgan neighborhood in the northwest quadrant of the nation's capital.
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    I don't know that you really have any business telling a mother who buried her son and watched his murderer walk away scott free what to do. She isn't responsible for anyone's actions but her own- trying to make her look like a bad person because of what others do is horrible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Potter75 View Post
    I don't know that you really have any business telling a mother who buried her son and watched his murderer walk away scott free what to do. She isn't responsible for anyone's actions but her own- trying to make her look like a bad person because of what others do is horrible.
    I'm not telling her what to do or calling her a bad person. Boy do you read into things and put your own slant on what other people say. I said that is what I would do if it was me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GloriaInTX View Post
    I'm not telling her what to do or calling her a bad person. Boy do you read into things and put your own slant on what other people say. I said that is what I would do if it was me.
    Have you had a child murdered? I feel it's a bit presumptuous for you (who seems to haze ZERO empathy for the Martins) to presume what you would do. Your lack of empathy coupled with pointing out how you believe the mother is performing poorly according to your perfect standards continues to be off putting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Potter75 View Post
    Have you had a child murdered? I feel it's a bit presumptuous for you (who seems to haze ZERO empathy for the Martins) to presume what you would do. Your lack of empathy coupled with pointing out how you believe the mother is performing poorly according to your perfect standards continues to be off putting.
    AGAIN. You are putting words in my mouth. I said none of those things. Don't say I am saying things I DID NOT SAY.
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