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    Quote Originally Posted by ClairesMommy View Post
    How are abortions paid for in the US or by state? Varies? Paid for by patient? Paid for by taxes?
    There is a law that federal funds are not allowed to be used for abortions but Planned Parenthood manages to get around it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GloriaInTX View Post
    There is a law that federal funds are not allowed to be used for abortions but Planned Parenthood manages to get around it.
    Well, good for PP.

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    PP provides other medical services that make them qualify for federal funds. Only 3% of their patients go for abortion but 71% of their patients are there for pregnancy prevention methods. That's how they get federal funds and they should.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jessica80 View Post
    I've been with 2 friends in the past while they sought abortions and I found them to be in conditions of an ambi-surgi center as it should be. Cleanliness at a medical facility should have a basic cleanliness measure.
    Cleanliness I would agree with. Size of the rooms and doorways? No. As Melis pointed out, that is only being done to try to drive these businesses out. There is no logical reason whatsoever for the doorway of an abortion clinic to need to be wide enough to accomodate a surgical gurney; you walk into the procedure room on your own two feet, and you walk out on your own two feet. There is no logical reason for whatsoever for a procedure room in an abortion clinic to require room for a gurney, monitoring equipment and resuscitation equipment, and the people to operate them, when early-term abortions don't require more than a local anesthetic and perhaps a mild sedative for someone who's very nervous. The procedure is basically like a 5-minute-long Pap smear with a vacuum running on the side. Most of the problems occur later, when you've gone home. Maybe Alabama & Mississippi will next require a doctor to follow women home from an abortion to constantly be on the watch for signs of infection.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GloriaInTX View Post
    There is a law that federal funds are not allowed to be used for abortions but Planned Parenthood manages to get around it.
    They don't "manage" to get around it. They keep the federal money separate from private donations that they are free to use for anything they wish, including abortion. Federal money pays for all the other things they provide like birth control, vasectomies, education, Pap smears, and breast cancer screenings.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spacers View Post
    Cleanliness I would agree with. Size of the rooms and doorways? No. As Melis pointed out, that is only being done to try to drive these businesses out. There is no logical reason whatsoever for the doorway of an abortion clinic to need to be wide enough to accomodate a surgical gurney; you walk into the procedure room on your own two feet, and you walk out on your own two feet. There is no logical reason for whatsoever for a procedure room in an abortion clinic to require room for a gurney, monitoring equipment and resuscitation equipment, and the people to operate them, when early-term abortions don't require more than a local anesthetic and perhaps a mild sedative for someone who's very nervous. The procedure is basically like a 5-minute-long PAP smear with a vacuum running on the side. Most of the problems occur later, when you've gone home. Maybe Alabama & Mississippi will next require a doctor to follow women home from an abortion to constantly be on the watch for signs of infection.
    I can sort of see why the doorways would need to fit a gurney, IF the requirement is bona fide from the get-go and not some kind of sneaky way to prevent women access to abortion at a particular clinic. That whole admitting priviledge thing though....that's just wacky. You need a door wide enough for a gurney - let's say a woman starts to hemorrhage or has some other kind of serious thing happen during the abortion - she's unconscious and has to get to the ER stat - well crap, the gurney can get out through the doorway but she'd better hope and pray that doctor's got admitting privileges!!!!! ****e. Really?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spacers View Post
    Cleanliness I would agree with. Size of the rooms and doorways? No. As Melis pointed out, that is only being done to try to drive these businesses out. There is no logical reason whatsoever for the doorway of an abortion clinic to need to be wide enough to accomodate a surgical gurney; you walk into the procedure room on your own two feet, and you walk out on your own two feet. There is no logical reason for whatsoever for a procedure room in an abortion clinic to require room for a gurney, monitoring equipment and resuscitation equipment, and the people to operate them, when early-term abortions don't require more than a local anesthetic and perhaps a mild sedative for someone who's very nervous. The procedure is basically like a 5-minute-long Pap smear with a vacuum running on the side. Most of the problems occur later, when you've gone home. Maybe Alabama & Mississippi will next require a doctor to follow women home from an abortion to constantly be on the watch for signs of infection.
    I completely agree and I'm sorry if my post indicated anything but. I was saying I agree if they were requiring meeting cleaning standards...not size. It seems arbitrary.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GloriaInTX View Post
    Sorry I don't even know what you are talking about.

    What I am talking about is that every single person in this thread knows full well that you are lying through your teeth when you say you want funding for abortions to be safe. You want abortions to be IMPOSSIBLE. You don't care about mothers safety and its that line of thought that made this atrocity possible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Potter75 View Post
    What I am talking about is that every single person in this thread knows full well that you are lying through your teeth
    This is not true.

    You can have the position that abortion is wrong and should be illegal, and still think that if they are going to have them as legal, then at least they should have the same medical standards as any other health facility. If a normal health clinic has laws that make it so that the doors need to be wide enough for a stretcher to get through, and abortion clinic should not be exempt from those laws.

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    Does your OB's office have doorways wide enough to accomodate a gurney? Mine doesn't, nor are the rooms as large as in the ambulatory surgery center. That's because they don't need to be. And they don't need to be in an abortion clinic, either. It's just a "making things as difficult as possible" hoop for poor women to have to jump through. There are no gurneys in an abortion clinic because you walk. If there's an emergency, they will either put you in a wheelchair and take you to a hospital, or an ambulance with a skinny stretcher will come to get you. Are the doors in your home wide enough for an ambulance stretcher? Yes, and that's all the width the doors of an abortion clinic need. Standard doors. Why the need to make room for equipment that an ambulatory surgery center needs but an abortion clinic does not? It's just another "making things as difficult as possible" hoop for poor women to have to jump through.
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