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    Except if you are going to vote against funding these places at every single turn- thereby not giving them the funding to comply- you force them out of business. That's why the closest one to you is 100 miles away. That makes them inaccessible to many poor women....... That sets the stage for monsters like the one in the OP to operate. Think about it.
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    I do not have the heart to argue about this right now. I know there is nothing I can do to change your mind and there is nothing you can say to change mine. I just wanted to point out that it is not true that every single person on this board thinks Gloria is lying.

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    . You say you don't have the heart to debate it but I believe that's a euphemism for "oh that debate point made too much sense for me to counter".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Potter75 View Post
    . You say you don't have the heart to debate it but I believe that's a euphemism for "oh that debate point made too much sense for me to counter".
    That is not true. My best friend just died. I am an emotional mess, and I do not feel like arguing with someone that will not listen to anything I have to say.

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    While I am sorry your friend died, you are the one who chose to post. If you post and don't seem to understand the heart of the matter ~ that this is about creating rules which are illogical and unnecessary ~ rules which the lawmakers KNOW that these facilities do NOT have the funding to adhere to, which then means that these facilities will be FORCED TO CLOSE.......the intent of the legislation is to close these facilities, NOT to protect women. That is unethical. That is crappy. That is not justice. If you don't understand that, I am going to explain it to you, because this is a debate board. That is something that I believe is important that people understand. I believe that all women deserve the same access to abortion, even poor southerners. So when Gloria posts links acting as though she is excited about new safety laws for the sake of women seeking abortions.....when in fact she is excited about forthcoming closures of abortion facilities (safe, legal, facilities) she is, indeed lying. You may not understand the actual subject matter well enough to understand the nature of the lie, so I'm explaining it to you. If you are not in a good head space to debate, don't ~ but please don't act like anyone is picking on you if you jump into a debate unasked, you know?

    ETA: Also I am listening to what you say. I simply disagree with it. Please don't be rude and imply that I'm not listening to you because I disagree with you. I'm laying out quite clearly and politely why I disagree with you.
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    You said that every single person on this board thought Gloria was lying. I pointed out that is not true.

    Row vs. Wade says that abortion is legal. Not that someone else has to pay for it. It is an elective procedure. My insurance does not pay for most elective procedures. I said abortion clinics should have the same medical standards as any other medical clinic. "IF" other medical places have to have that width of a door, then an abortion clinic should not be exempt.

    The vast majority of the people who live where I live believe an abortion is wrong and is killing a child. That is why there are no abortion clinics here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Potter75 View Post

    ETA: Also I am listening to what you say. I simply disagree with it. Please don't be rude and imply that I'm not listening to you because I disagree with you. I'm laying out quite clearly and politely why I disagree with you.
    You and I have a much different definition of what is polite.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AlyssaEimers View Post
    You said that every single person on this board thought Gloria was lying. I pointed out that is not true.

    Row vs. Wade says that abortion is legal. Not that someone else has to pay for it. It is an elective procedure. My insurance does not pay for most elective procedures. I said abortion clinics should have the same medical standards as any other medical clinic. "IF" other medical places have to have that width of a door, then an abortion clinic should not be exempt.

    The vast majority of the people who live where I live believe an abortion is wrong and is killing a child. That is why there are no abortion clinics here.

    Do you just make stuff up when you feel like it?

    Total Abortions (2009): 17,474

    The Centers for Disease Control (CDC) reports that 17,474 abortions took place in Tennessee during 2009. The table below compares Tennessee abortion totals by year.
    2009 2008 2007 2006 2005 2004 2003 2002
    17,474 18,253 18,171 17,883 16,178 16,400 17,610 17,807
    Total Abortions Rank (2009): #14

    Out of the 46 states* (+ Washington DC) that reported to the CDC, Tennessee's 2008 abortion total places it at #14 on the list (#1 on the list is the state or district with the most abortions and #47 is the state or district with the fewest).
    *California, Delaware, Maryland, and New Hampshire did not report data.


    Abortion Rate* (2009): 13.8

    The Centers for Disease Control (CDC) reports that the 2009 abortion rate for Tennessee was 13.8. The 2009 abortion rate across the 46 reporting states** (+ Washington DC) was 15.1. The table below compares Tennessee abortion rates by year.
    *The abortion rate is the number of abortions per 1,000 women aged 15-44 years.
    **California, Delaware, Maryland, and New Hampshire did not report data.

    2009 2008 2007 2006 2005 2004 2003 2002
    13.8 14.5 14.4 14.2 13 13 14 14
    Abortion Rate Rank (2009): #18

    Out of the 46 states* (+ Washington DC) that reported to the CDC, Tennessee's 2008 abortion rate places it at #18 on the list (#1 on the list is the state or district with the highest abortion rate and #47 is the state or district with the lowest).
    *California, Delaware, Maryland, and New Hampshire did not report data.


    Out-of-State Abortion Percentage (2009): 23.1%

    The Centers for Disease Control (CDC) reports that 23.1% of the 18,253 abortions that took place in Tennessee were performed on out-of-state residents.
    Percentage of Reported Abortions by Known Age (2009):

    <15 yrs 15-19 20-24 25-29 30-34 35-39 ≥40 yrs
    Tennessee 0.5% 15.1% 34.1% 25.4% 14.1% 8.4% 2.5%
    United States 0.5% 15.5% 32.7% 24.4% 14.7% 8.8% 3.3%
    Percentage of Reported Abortions by Weeks of Gestation* (2009):

    ≤8 wks* 9-13 wks* 14-15 wks* 16-17 wks* 18-20 wks* ≥21 wks*
    Tennessee 65.5% 31.6% 2.6% 0.1% NR NR
    United States 64.0% 27.7% 3.4% 1.9% 1.8% 1.3%
    *Gestational weeks are measured from the first day of the woman's last menstruation and not from the day of conception. Though it does not provide an accurate fetal age (which is roughly 2 weeks less than the gestational age), it is the simplest way for an OB/GYN to age a pregnancy since the day of conception is often not known. Hence, if an abortion occurs at 8 weeks gestation, it is actually aborting a 6 week embryo. The images on our Prenatal Development and Abortion Pictures pages are more precisely captioned with fetal ages in accordance with standard teaching texts on prenatal development.
    Percentage of Reported Abortions by Procedure Type* (200:

    Curettage Medical Intrauterine Instillation Other
    Tennessee 76.2% NR 0% 23.7%
    United States 82.4% 16.2% 0% 1.6%
    *To learn more about how various abortion procedures are performed, visit our Abortion Techniques page.

    SOURCE: Abortion Surveillance --- United States, 2009


    AGI DATA (TENNESSEE)

    Total Abortions (200: 19,550

    The Alan Guttmacher Institute (AGI) reports that 19,550 abortions took place in Tennessee during 2008. In 2005, there were 18,140 abortions reported.
    Total Abortions Rank (200: #16

    Out of the 50 states (+ Washington DC) that AGI lists data for, Tennessee's 2008 abortion total places it at number 16 on the list (#1 on the list is the state or district with the most abortions and #51 is the state or district with the fewest).

    Abortion Rate* (200: 15.5

    The Alan Guttmacher Institute (AGI) reports that the 2008 abortion rate for Tennessee was 15.5. In 2005, the abortion rate in Tennessee was 14.4. It was 15.2 in 2000. The 2008 abortion rate across the entire United States was 19.6.
    *The abortion rate is the number of abortions per 1,000 women aged 15-44 years.

    Abortion Rate Rank (200: #25 (tie)

    Out of the 50 states (+ Washington DC) that AGI lists data for, Tennessee's 2008 abortion rate places it at number 25 (tie) on the list (#1 on the list is the state or district with the highest abortion rate and #51 is the state or district with the lowest).

    Percentage of Pregnancies Ending in Abortion (200: 16%

    In 2008, 124,200 women in Tennessee became pregnant. 69% of these pregnancies resulted in live births and 16% in induced abortions
    Total Abortion Facilities (200: 13

    In 2008, the Alan Guttmacher Institute reports that there were 13 abortion providers in Tennessee. There were 13 providers in 2005 and 16 providers in 2000.
    Abortion Restrictions (2011):

    • The parent of a minor must consent before an abortion is provided.
    • Public funding is available for abortion only in cases of life endangerment, rape or incest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlyssaEimers View Post
    You and I have a much different definition of what is polite.

    okay.

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    Rank 14 is only slightly better than us horrible Massachusetts people. We are #11. Abortion rate rank at #17 But we are less moral. For sure.
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