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    Quote Originally Posted by Spacers View Post
    You married their father, you are their step-mother. They *are* yours.
    Yes they are NOW. But I didn't give birth to them so don't tell me I don't know anything about taking on someone else's children or imply that is a task I wouldn't take on myself.
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    I'm pretty sure that is not what we were referring to when we meant taking on other children and I think you know that too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GloriaInTX View Post
    1.3% of abortions after 20 weeks is 15,600 babies per year! Only 2% of those are for medical reasons.

    Some of these babies are children that could survive.
    I went ahead & clicked on that anti-choice link and looked at the statistics. For nearly 3/4 of the women who have a late-term abortion, one of their reasons is because they didn't know they were pregnant soon enough to get an early abortion. For half of them, one of their reasons is because of difficulties arranging the abortion. So of your 98% who don't have a medical reason, most of those sound like they would have preferred an early abortion if it was available.

    And I'm not going to get into the poor statistics and outrageous expense that come along with premature babies and micropreemies, but there are many of us who don't believe every life the doctors save is a life worth living. I, personally, want to raise kids, not vegetables.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GloriaInTX View Post
    1.3% of abortions after 20 weeks is 15,600 babies per year! Only 2% of those are for medical reasons.


    http://www.wecareexperts.org/sites/d...nsequences.pdf

    Some of these babies are children that could survive.


    Study sheds light on survival rate of preemie babies - USATODAY.com
    Swell. They could have survived. Are you willing to cough up one extra red cent of YOUR tax dollar to pay for ambulatory transport, medications, home care, end-of-life care, catheters, tubing, ventilation equipment, repeated and various medical test and all that for one of these 23-weekers? I highly doubt that. We all know how you feel about paying more taxes, Gloria. Oh, but wait. This is a cause you would support, so maybe you don't mind paying for that. Gun control, yeah I get you won't go for that, but sustaining the 'life' of that baby - you're on the bandwagon of taxpayer support, right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spacers View Post
    You married their father, you are their step-mother. They *are* yours.
    Yeah. I've never heard of anyone quite phrase it that way before - 'caring for 4 kids that aren't mine'. What an odd statement. The stepparents I know just think of their stepkids like they think of the biological kids. No difference.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GloriaInTX View Post
    Yes they are NOW. But I didn't give birth to them so don't tell me I don't know anything about taking on someone else's children or imply that is a task I wouldn't take on myself.

    Wait, seriously? You took on your husband and his income and his children (and HE TOOK ON YOURS!!!!) and you consider that this big sacrifice akin to fostering or adopting? Simply because they didn't come out your vagina? I've never heard anything quite like that. Fascinating.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spacers View Post
    I went ahead & clicked on that anti-choice link and looked at the statistics. For nearly 3/4 of the women who have a late-term abortion, one of their reasons is because they didn't know they were pregnant soon enough to get an early abortion. For half of them, one of their reasons is because of difficulties arranging the abortion. So of your 98% who don't have a medical reason, most of those sound like they would have preferred an early abortion if it was available.

    And I'm not going to get into the poor statistics and outrageous expense that come along with premature babies and micropreemies, but there are many of us who don't believe every life the doctors save is a life worth living. I, personally, want to raise kids, not vegetables.
    Sorry I just don't buy that a woman doesn't know she is pregnant before 20 weeks. It was probably just an easy box to check when they don't really have a reason. So make it a rule that after 20 weeks they have to wait 5 more weeks until 25 weeks where the survival rate is 82%. Chances are very good at that point, if she has carried that baby for 20 weeks I don't think 5 more weeks is too much to ask.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ClairesMommy View Post
    Swell. They could have survived. Are you willing to cough up one extra red cent of YOUR tax dollar to pay for ambulatory transport, medications, home care, end-of-life care, catheters, tubing, ventilation equipment, repeated and various medical test and all that for one of these 23-weekers? I highly doubt that. We all know how you feel about paying more taxes, Gloria. Oh, but wait. This is a cause you would support, so maybe you don't mind paying for that. Gun control, yeah I get you won't go for that, but sustaining the 'life' of that baby - you're on the bandwagon of taxpayer support, right?
    You are right. I don't put a price on the life of a child. We fund MANY things that are far less important.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GloriaInTX View Post
    I don't call 15,000 of anything tiny. Especially 15,000 babies killed. And it is ridiculous to say that these same 15,000 women that managed to find someplace to kill their babies late term which is harder couldn't have found somewhere to do it in the first trimester which is much easier.

    Well, then it isn't my fault you aren't good at math. 15,000 is a tiny percentage of all abortions.

    And yes, if they don't have access to a planned parenthood or other low income services center, they probably didn't know that they were pregnant or weren't able to find out how far along they were. So yes, its quite possible that with more access to care, they could have had an earlier abortion. As Stacey showed, one of the big reason for late term abortions was women not knowing that they were pregnant. With adequate access to health care services, that can be avoided.

    In looking at the link you posted this struck me as interesting:


    Finally, when compared to women
    obtaining earlier abortions there is evidence that women who obtain late-term abortions
    are more likely to experience stronger attachment to the unborn child, have more moral
    or religious objections to abortion, and concede to an abortion based on the wishes of
    others [10-11].




    What do you make of THAT?
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    Quote Originally Posted by GloriaInTX View Post
    Sorry I just don't buy that a woman doesn't know she is pregnant before 20 weeks. It was probably just an easy box to check when they don't really have a reason. So make it a rule that after 20 weeks they have to wait 5 more weeks until 25 weeks where the survival rate is 82%. Chances are very good at that point, if she has carried that baby for 20 weeks I don't think 5 more weeks is too much to ask.

    I don't want to pay for that. At 25 weeks that baby can plan on spending, what, 12-15 weeks in the NICU?

    I actually think that it is incredibly selfish of repeat preemie delivery moms to continue to carry their own children that insurance (aka al of us with insurance) and tax payers have to pay for care for. They should adopt so that we all don't have to pay for their children's incredibly expensive NICU care. After all, there are PLENTY of babies out there, right?
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