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    Gloria I refuse to debate with news orgs. If you want to debate it yourself, I'll play .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Potter75 View Post
    Gloria I refuse to debate with news orgs. If you want to debate it yourself, I'll play .
    Then don't. I thought I was on a debate board not a private discussion between you and me. I posted an article that I thought was relevant.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ftmom View Post
    I find the opposite. This makes me think of conditions in abortion clinics when it is not legal, and I find myself thinking that if these women had another place to go they would have, so maybe what is needed is better inspections, regulations, but certainly not making all abortions illegal. What he was doing was not legal, and I am asking why he was not being overseen by someone, and why he was not shut down earlier.
    You seriously think they had no where else to go?

    "Despite this, in the neighborhood of Kermit Gosnell there were advanced hospitals, Catholic pregnancy and adoption services, and two pregnancy care centers: clean, well-lit places where they and their children would have been valued and cared for. "

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spacers View Post
    It actually DID get national attention when he was arrested. I read it on my local news website over two years ago. "Philadelphia abortion doctor charge with murder," the headline reads. It was published at 4:00am on Thursday, January 20, 2011.

    Philadelphia abortion doctor charged with murder - SFGate

    Do I need daily reminders on my news feed that he's finally on trial, finally coming to justice? No. I find no outrage in that. The outrage would be if he was not being prosecuted.
    Oh come on --- I never heard about it till recently.. There was not WIDE spread media coverage.. And nothing close to any of the other murders lately.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rivergallery View Post
    You seriously think they had no where else to go?

    "Despite this, in the neighborhood of Kermit Gosnell there were advanced hospitals, Catholic pregnancy and adoption services, and two pregnancy care centers: clean, well-lit places where they and their children would have been valued and cared for. "

    Read more: The truth about the Kermit Gosnell trial | Fox News
    None of those is an abortion clinic. Read the article I posted. The state of PA has not only cut the number of clinics in half, it's also placed ridiculous restrictions on funding so that poor women have to pay for an abortion out -of-pocket. That hasn't served to reduce the number of abortions, it's pushed the women who want them to places like this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spacers View Post
    None of those is an abortion clinic. Read the article I posted. The state of PA has not only cut the number of clinics in half, it's also placed ridiculous restrictions on funding so that poor women have to pay for an abortion out -of-pocket. That hasn't served to reduce the number of abortions, it's pushed the women who want them to places like this.
    No it hasn't. Choices did. And I doubt they were all rape victims. If they are we have a bigger issue than the abortions... why are we releasing rapists back into society...? He, Gosnell, is a predator.. preying on the poor.

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    "As a group, about 1 in 5 sex offenders reported that they had been under conditional supervision in the community prior to entering prison.

    An estimated 24% of those serving time for rape and 19% of those serving time for sexual assault had been on probation or parole at the time of the offense for which they were in State prison in 1991.
    BJS also carried out a 3-year follow-up of a sample drawn to represent 109,000 prisoners released in 1983 from prisons in 11 States. During the period, this group of releasees acquired about 50,000 arrests for new violent crimes, including nearly 4,000 arrests for rape and sexual assault. Prior to their imprisonment, fingerprint records for this group of offenders evidenced more than 19,000 prior arrests for rape and sexual assault.

    Offenders convicted of rape and sexual assault composed just over 4% of those discharged from prisons in the 11 States in 1983. Over the 3-year period following prison release, an estimated 52% of discharged rapists and 48% of discharged sexual assaulters were re-arrested for a new crime. Their criminal history records also evidenced a lower percentage of sex offenders who were reconvicted and reimprisoned during the follow-up period than was the case for all violent offenders discharged from prison.

    Table 34. Percent of all inmates

    Offenders Rearrested Reconvicted Reincarcerated
    All violent 60% 42% 37%
    Rape 52% 36% 32%
    Sexual Assault 48% 33% 24%

    During the follow-up period, which began in 1983, the prison release cohort accounted for 3.8% of all the rape arrests that took place in the 11 States in 1983, 2.4% of all the rape arrests in the 11 States in 1984, and about 1% of the arrests for rape in the 11 States in 1985 and 1986.

    Nearly 28% of released rapists were re-arrested for a new violent crime within 3 years (figure 27). For nearly 8% of released rapists, the new arrest for a violent crime was another charge for rape. During the follow-up period about 1% of murderers, robbers, and assaulters were rearrested for a new rape. Released rapists were found to be 10.5 times as likely as nonrapists to be re-arrested for rape, and those who had served time for sexual assault were 7.5 times as likely as those convicted of other crimes to be re-arrested for a new sexual assault.

    Table 35. Figure 27. Re-arrest of convicted rapists released from prison and followed for 3 years

    Re-arrested for a new crime 51.5%
    Re-arrested for a new violent crime 27.5%
    Murder Rape Robbery Assault
    2.8% 7.7% 8.5% 10.7%

    Convicted rapists released from prison and followed for 3 years 2,214

    This BJS study tracked a sample of offenders in 11 States drawn to respresent those released from prisons in those States in 1983. Each offender was tracked through both State and Federal criminal history records. Offenders may have been arrested more than once during the follow-up period.

    from here - http://www.mincava.umn.edu/documents....html#idp81776


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    Quote Originally Posted by Spacers View Post
    None of those is an abortion clinic. Read the article I posted. The state of PA has not only cut the number of clinics in half, it's also placed ridiculous restrictions on funding so that poor women have to pay for an abortion out -of-pocket. That hasn't served to reduce the number of abortions, it's pushed the women who want them to places like this.
    So are you suggesting that taxpayers should be paying for these abortions?

    From the Grand Jury transcript
    Lynda Williams provided the FBI with a handwritten chart listing what Gosnell
    charged for abortions at various gestational ages:
    6 weeks - 12 weeks $330
    13 weeks - 14 weeks $440
    15 weeks - 16 weeks $540
    17 weeks - 18 weeks $750
    19 weeks - 20 weeks $950
    21 weeks - 22 weeks $1,180
    23 weeks - 24 weeks $1,625

    But other employees said that what he charged was often more. They said he charged as
    much as $3,000 for a single late-term abortion. The great aunt of another patient testified
    that she paid $2,500.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rivergallery View Post
    Oh come on --- I never heard about it till recently.. There was not WIDE spread media coverage.. And nothing close to any of the other murders lately.

    What other murders in Philadelphia have you heard of recently (or ever)? Honest question. Do you know who our mayor or Govenor is? I mean ...... you live across the country from us. Does it really shock you that you are not aware of every crime that happens around the entire nation? I'm glad I don't. There is only so much I can really handle, the ones that pertain to us, the local ones are generally enough to make me sick.

    AS to the rape stuff I'm really not sure where you are going with that. You want to murder rapists, right?
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    I've heard this "mainstream" media crud all over and I think it is silly. I've read about this guy for awhile now and I don't go searching for articles on him either.

    I think this is a local story. Horrific medical conditions and an evil murderer. I definitely think it warrant a review of the appropriate office who should have investigated this guy. I don't see why this has to be a huge national story. We have awful medical reviews all the time that don't even make state news. Usually just local.

    And as a "pro choicer", showing this type of facility only can help us remind people of how things were during the time in the US when it wasn't legal. This is what awaited most women when they sought out abortion services and that's horrifying.
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    So what makes this trial any different than the other murder trials that Good Morning America covers?

    GMA Devotes 109 Minutes to Other Trials, But Not One Second for Gosnell Horrors

    Forty two days ago, on March 18, 2013, abortionist Kermit Gosnell went on trial, charged with the grisly murder of multiple babies and a patient. Yet, in the seven weeks that followed, ABC News has permitted no coverage, discussion or mention of the case, not even a single utterance of Dr. Gosnell’s name.

    But that’s not due to lack of interest in shocking criminal cases. Over the same 42 days, the Media Research Center found that ABC’s Good Morning America has aired 41 stories — about one per day — on other sensational criminal cases, including the Amanda Knox re-trial and the Jodi Arias case, totaling 109 minutes of coverage.

    So it would seem that ABC doesn’t have a problem delivering the gruesome details of murder cases to morning show viewers, suggesting that the networks’ blackout of the Gosnell case has more to do with the negative light it shines on the abortion industry.

    Over six weeks of weekday and weekend coverage, GMA featured the Arias case 22 times. Arias is accused of stabbing and slitting the throat of Travis Alexander, her ex-boyfriend. Clearly, the producers and hosts of the morning show aren’t worried about discussing stomach-churning details. The Associated Press recounted the graphic accusations against Gosnell, including testimony by some of the abortion clinic’s workers that they "'snipped' babies' necks after they were born alive to make sure they died."

    Both the Gosnell case and the Amanda Knox retrial deal with brutal murder. Yet, while ABC ignored the wrenching details of dead babies, Ms. Knox’s story received nine segments on GMA. (The remaining ten cases included the Michael Jackson wrongful death suit, a murder trial in Georgia, the murder of a University of Virginia lacrosse player and updates on the case against spree killer James Holmes.)

    It’s not as though ABC can claim the Boston bombing as a reason to ignore the Gosnell case. The abortionist’s trial had been ongoing for a full month before the April 15 terrorist attack. Additionally, on the April 17 Good Morning America, as the manhunt for the perpetrators went on, the program featured a full report on the Arias murder.

    On April 14, the Washington Post investigated the media’s lack of interest in Gosnell. Representatives for CBS and NBC offered comments about lack of coverage and plans to cover the story in the future. ABC was silent. The Post’s Paul Farhi succinctly summarized, "An ABC News representative, Julie Townsend, declined comment."

    CBS and NBC have both offered minor coverage of the Gosnell case. What is ABC’s excuse for a total blackout? Clearly, the network is interested in criminal cases with shocking, brutal details. Forty one stories over 109 minutes and 26 seconds prove this.

    The horrifying details of the Jodi Arias case, the Amanda Knox murder trial and rest are tragic stories with real victims. Their importance should not be downplayed or dismissed as purely sensational. But the lives of innocent babies, allegedly murdered in appalling circumstances, are also significant. Is it too much to ask that ABC’s hosts and producers cover a story, even if it doesn't match the political agenda of pro-abortion liberals?

    Read more: GMA Devotes 109 Minutes to Other Trials, But Not One Second for Gosnell Horrors | NewsBusters
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