I don't think there is any way you could mistake someone with the mind of a 6 year old for an adult with full mental capacity when you are having sex or hitting on them.
I feel so very very bad for this girl who can not possibly understand all the very grown up things that are going on around her. It's so sad.
It's the part that says that "Elisa has been known to leave the group home for hours or days at a time to engage in sexual activity with men at a local truck stop" that makes me think the parents had to have known what was going on. Surely even a really crappy group home feels the need to report it to the parents (and the police!) when a woman who has the mental capacity of a six year old has been missing for days. I have roughly the mental capacity of a 32 year old (roughly ) and my husband would surely tell my mom and dad and the police if I was missing for days.
I agree that the simple act of putting her in a home doesn't indicate that they are neglectful parents, and that a group home may be the very best situation for many disabled people, and a very loving choice for their families to make. It's just that this particular home sounds awful, and I have a hard time swallowing that the parents had zero idea.
Regardless of any of that, however, I do NOT believe that the state should be allowed to force an abortion on an unwilling woman for any reason. That is inhumane IMO, and wrong. If the woman wanted an abortion but the parents weren't willing to sign off on it, I might be more sympathetic to the state stepping in, but the fact that the woman wants to continue her pregnancy (mentally competent or not) and her legal guardians concur means to me that the state would be completely remiss in forcing her to have an abortion that she does not want.
Last edited by Alissa_Sal; 11-02-2012 at 01:25 PM. Reason: edited to add the "NOT" in capital letters - haha, one missing word really changes the meaning
I'm really not trying to be contrary. I understand that what you are saying and it definitely does seem like the sensible thing that a group home would inform the parents. But none of that is mentioned and I don't think its a safe bet either. I also think if there was some story there, about the parents...it would have come out, or will come out in the near future. Because obviously, we've spent the majority of this thread talking about the parents so it would make sense that the media would give readers that story if it exists.
Me personally, the only way i would put anything on the parents is if they knew for sure it was happening....the severity of the situation, meaning they realize that it was reoccurring...and they didn't attempt to do anything about it. But i want to actually know that first before assuming it. When we are talking about legal stuff...you need to actually know.
Also, i have a question...the link to the article looks like it comes from a conservatively slanted site. Is this a mainstream article at all? Just wondering if there are more balanced places to get the info from. Its very possible that the information exists but has been left out in order to get a certain reaction. And my apologies for asking and not bother to go do that research myself.
Last edited by KimPossible; 11-02-2012 at 01:32 PM.
I agree that we don't know for sure. I guess I just feel like we would have very few debates if we could only discuss the stories where we knew all of the details 100% for sure. I feel like we often take the details of the stories as we know them, and debate what those details could mean.
If the group home didn't report (to the police, at the very least) that she was missing for days, then I'm wondering if some sort of criminal negligence could be leveled against them?
And on the flip side, we point out all the time in debates why its important not to assume. For example, its unfair to assume that people receiving welfare are lazy leeches who take advantage of the government. The typical response is "you don't know their situation, and there are legitimate reasons why you shouldn't assume that". And that's really all I'm saying here...is that we don't know.
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Most of the articles are just repeats of this same article or the focus is on the abortion itself and not the group home/parent involvement.
Kim~this is a bit different in assumptions I feel. We have some info to deduce our opinions on. 1. has happened before. 2. sometimes for long periods of time. Maybe I'm wrong and I would LOVE to be wrong trust me. If it was presented that she left the group home 1x and parents were aware and never happened again but she got pregnant...yep different assumptions.
I agree with that the failure to hand in the report is not a plus in their column. Not a closed case, but definitely worth concern.
And again, i'm not saying that its impossible that these parents are neglectful. I'm just saying its vital to know it for a fact to determine if they are in any position to be making decisions for her.
You are right....I shouldn't have made the assumption right away that they didn't know. I guess I should say I find it highly unlikely that involved parents (and I didn't mean every day just because I call every day but I would think they have some contact) that they didn't know. Because I know families with members in homes...it seems to be an all or nothing with them. Some are super involved still and others basically drop them them off and "see you later". I think that is clouding my judgment.