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    The comparison to Sandusky doesn't make sense...with the prison term he got, he will die in prison. Any extra 'hundred' years or whatever would be totally symbolic in nature. The job of our prison system is to protect society (and to rehabilitate, but i don't think that applies in this situation), and this sentence accomplishes that. The job of our prison system is not to hand out symbolic excessive prison sentences to make society artificially feel better when in fact it does nothing.

    As for this woman, i agree with those who say that as long as the grandmother is stable and not abusive it is better to keep them together than to put them through the foster system separately. Her sentence? If it seems extra excessive compared to other child abusers, i guess it doesn't make sense...but i must say my heart isn't bleeding for her or anything.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wlillie View Post
    I think Sandusky didn't get a long enough prison term; hers is fine. I think it's insane to try to pretend like this woman is ever going to be OK. If you are evil enough to glue your children to the wall, then no amount of money or help from the fathers is going to keep you from doing it. Apparently her mother was involved in helping with the kids so if she needed a break, she should have taken one.

    I think if I was that kind of person that I'd want my kids to go into foster care instead of the home that raised me. Even if it meant being separated from my siblings. That 23 year old didn't just wake up one day with 5 kids and letting the grandmother raise them just means the cycle will continue.

    "Elizabeth Escalona wasn't sorry for what she did to 2-year-old Jocelyn. Elizabeth Escalona felt sorry for herself," Price said. "Those tears on the stand were for her and not for the toddler she tortured."
    I don't know Lillie. Like, if they can show that the grandma is unfit in some way, then I would agree that she shouldn't have the kids. But if there isn't any evidence that the grandma beat the mom, or neglected her, or emotionally abused her, or anything like that, I think it's hard to say that just because the mom turned out to be a bad apple, the grandmother is unfit. I always think about my SIL - her parents are totally loving and awesome and my SIL is totally awesome; high achieving (she already has several degrees and a good job in her field) smart, nice, funny, loving - and her brother is a drug addict who is in and out of jail. I know some people will argue that her parents "failed" in parenting his particular personality type or whatever, but you can't look at them and see any obvious flaws like abuse or neglect. I'm sure they were imperfect, as are we all, but I also believe they probably did the best they could with what they knew, as do most of us, and their son still turned out pretty messed up. What I'm saying is, I don't think that it necessarily takes a terrible parent to raise a messed up kid.
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    I agree with Alissa. I don't think someone who performs acts like these is necessarily reflective of bad parenting. Sometimes people like this just exist. It can definitely be from their childhood/background but if there is no known concern about grandma (abuse/neglect) this is the best option for them I think (now that I've had time to really think this through)

    Plus, social services will follow them and hopefully if there are any signs they will be noticed ASAP.
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    This happened in the Dallas area so has been in the news a lot. Given the fact that the little girl would have died if the Grandmother hadn't rescued her and taken her to the hospital, I don't think 99 years is excessive. The mother didn't even take her to the hospital or call 911 after abusing her to the point of death, so the only reason she doesn't have a murder charge is because the Grandmother stepped in. I see no reason for the Grandmother to not get custody as she did nothing wrong. I'm sure she loves those kids and they don't need any more trauma.
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    Why didn't she take those kids away if she knew this was going on? She did do something wrong. You don't have to be a genius to realize this wasn't a one time thing and if my Mother let me abuse my kids like that without doing something about it, I wouldn't want her to have them either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wlillie View Post
    Why didn't she take those kids away if she knew this was going on? She did do something wrong. You don't have to be a genius to realize this wasn't a one time thing and if my Mother let me abuse my kids like that without doing something about it, I wouldn't want her to have them either.
    Possibly because legally she couldn't just "take the kids away?" I mean, you can certainly argue that it might have been better for the kids in the short term if she kidnapped them or something, but then they'd be in the situation of having a grandma in jail as well as a mom in jail. My thought is, I don't know enough about the back ground to make a judgement. The article said that the mom had been investigated by CPS before - maybe that was the grandma's doing. Maybe the mom's behavior escalated rather rapidly and the grandma wasn't totally aware of what was happening. Maybe the grandma knew and just did nothing; I don't know well enough to say that the grandma "did nothing" because I don't know what she knew or what she did. I do know that people who don't have custody of children can't just take them away without legal consequences.
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