It is hard to argue against the notion that if some good person has a gun on them when someone is threatening lives that they can use it to stop the criminal. However, what we are sacrificing in return is not as easily measurable. How many accidental and inappropriate uses of guns by otherwise good people do we see. How much easier have we made it for criminals to get guns and use them, either by getting them themselves or taking them from good people, just so the CC'rs can continue to carry.Quote:
1- I did not say that CC'rs are better.. just that if there are more of them and if they are already on the scene they will have the opportunity to prevent it.. If they are not allowed to own the weapons there is no way a CC'r would be able to stop it.
You cannot tell me without a doubt that you know that the trade off comes out in our favor in the end. And I think we are at a point where we need to try. If we are wrong, we can keep fixing. I don't think its responsible for us to not even consider it at this point.
My anti-virus software wouldn't let me go to the site. It came with this computer but it seems kind of stupid because I saw a glimpse of the site before it stopped me, so I"m not entirely sure how its protecting me LOL. Anyway, i saw that it said something about hitler. I'm assuming this is about tyrannic governments taking control of their citizens? I will say that I do not believe for one minute that in this point in the evolution of our society we are in any sort of serious threat of this happening. I'm willing to take this 'risk' in order to make an attempt to protect more of our citizens every day for a current problem that we know exists...right now. There are nations that live with tighter gun laws who have not fallen to dictators.Quote:
- Assumptions can definitely be made if you look at what happens to societies when guns are highly regulated. Registration: The **** Paradigm - by Stephen P. Halbrook
I agree with a lot of this. I'm not sure about the never releasing criminals thing. Only because it seems like an awful lot of these people are first time offenders, and I don't think our system can handle the load you are suggesting. Essentially you are saying "look elsewhere to fix the problem besides gun control"Quote:
I agree something needs to change, but I do not think it comes in regulating law abiding citizens, it comes in not releasing criminals. And aiding with mental health care patients.. DO NOT allow violent people out on our streets period.. Then we wouldn't have to worry about criminals getting guns because there would be so little of them.. only those that had never committed a crime before would every commit a violent crime
I'm just saying saying look everywhere to fix the problem.
Repeat offender stats
US - finding rates from 30-56% of violent crimes are from repeat offenders.. THE rate should be ZERO. and we could easily as a society make it so.. unless they escape from Prison. HOW.. NO BAIL period. And no release even for violent crimes, all rape, murder, attacks etc should carry a life or a death sentence. You ever rape someone, or murder instant life in prison. They would not be out doing it, and it would deter people from committing them, as it would be consistant. Especially if there was a heavy handed death penalty. I would even rather be heavy handed and even though it has never happened.. put to death one innocent person than allow the 30-56% of violent crimes to continue. It seems to me we should start there, not with laws that already are not working.. the people committing these crimes are already not supposed to have guns, and are already breaking the law.. why would another law stop them?
Study: Prisons failing to deter repeat criminals in 41 states - USATODAY.com
Why are so many Felons Repeat Offenders?
Not just a US problem-
Repeat-offender rate four times higher than reported? Vancouver Sun
UK - 1/2million crimes by repeat offenders
Repeat offenders responsible for half a million crimes - Telegraph
"The problem *IS* guns. You simply can't kill dozens of people when you're armed with knives because those people know they have a fighting chance against you. And you don't need an assault rifle and explosive bullets to kill a deer or protect your home. There is absolutely no reason why anyone in America, at least anyone outside of law enforcement, should have that type of gun, those kinds of bullets. No reason at all. The Second Amendment says "a well-armed militia." It doesn't say anywhere that Joe Redneck gets to own multiple assault rifles and explosive bullets. It's time to put a stop to this. Kids shouldn't be dying in schools, and if Adam Lanza's mom didn't have those guns in her house, he wouldn't have been able to kill them all so easily."</SPAN></SPAN>
Either way...i suppose this is a different debate. I really have nothing against examining our prison system and fixing it too. Trust me, I know its not perfect.
ETA:, just wanted to at least point out, that we are not talking about a gross majority of crimes happening from repeat offenders. At most about half....and even if we could apply that specifically to homicides, our homicide rates would still be a lot hire than many other countries if cut in half....
ETA: what i just said makes no sense actually...i'm getting the math all messed up. If half of our criminals are repeat offenders, that is not half of all crimes committed as a whole. its even less than that. In other words, most crimes are carried out by first time offenders.