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    Quote Originally Posted by Alissa_Sal View Post
    I know I already swore off this debate, but I just wanted to tell you what my DH said when I asked him about arming teachers (he is a high school English teacher.) I'm paraphrasing, but basically he said that the type of person who is attracted to teaching is different from the type of person who wants to carry a gun for a living. If you make carrying a gun a requirement for teachers, you are going to attract a different type of person, and that may not be the type of person you want teaching kids. Not because they are bad people, but because they have a different temperment. He also said that the amount of training and maintenance that you would need to be able to consistently react under pressure and hit moving targets would be similar to that of a police officer, and you would need to think about paying teachers for that extra training and maintenance, as well as how much time would be spent gaining and maintaining those skills vs gaining and maintaining the skills they use for teaching. He also said that he thinks that if a teacher is trying to hit a moving target (like an attacker) and hits a student instead, that is worse in his opinion, because the teachers are responsible for the kids, and having a teacher hurt one (albeit unintentionally) is worse. Finally, I asked him if he would want to carry a gun himself. He says no.

    So, some insight from a guy who became a teacher in Littleton in a post-Columbine world. Possibly skewed because, like me, he is not "a gun person."
    DH also works in the school system (Not as a teacher, but as an interpreter) and thinks it is a very bad idea to arm the teachers with guns. It is a valid point, that the personality type that is a police officer and the personality type that is a teacher is very different. I think having a security guard and other safety precautions is a much smarter approach to keeping the schools safe then expecting teachers to carry guns. (That does not mean I think you should ban all guns everywhere)

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    Quote Originally Posted by GloriaInTX View Post
    Sorry pie in the sky dreams are not reality. You can't turn back the clock and take guns away. They are already there. There is not one gun law that would have prevented what happened. The assault weapons ban that Obama is proposing wouldn't have helped. He didn't use an assault weapon.
    I really wish that they could. It has been proven that people are not responsible with them. Friday proved that very well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rivergallery View Post
    Exactly or the rash of stabbings in Chinese Kindergartens?
    Take a look at the recent shooting in Oregon at Clackamas Town Center.. After investigating they KNOW why the gunman stopped... he saw another gun aimed at him.. from someone with a CC weapon! These things are not talked about in main stream media.. Dig deeper please.
    Those children are alive! They were injured but they are alive! Had he had a gun they would all be dead!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rivergallery View Post
    Can't really get behind any of the people from these nation and their view of our right to bear arms... sorry. Britain? (We bailed them out of WWII) Germany? (Nation that caused WWII), Australia (keep in mind they are an Island nation (we are not), but have also had a dramatic racial history, and started as a penal colony so was born out of violence), Isreal (their teachers have guns strapped to them), India (take a peak at their religious and domestic violence rates)... Hope you see my point. These articles are sound bites for a mass media culture, with nothing deeper than the 5'o clock sound bites.
    As a Canadian, American gun culture terrifies me. I will not even visit your nation because of it. The people I meet here feel the same. It is not just sound bites.

    And the US did not bail out Britain in WWII. The US sat back and let millions die until they were attacked and then responded. Same as with WWI. Canada and the rest of the Commonwealth went to the aid of Britain and the rest of the world.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ethanwinfield View Post
    Everyone of these guns started out legally manufactured and legally owned, now?

    This is how I hear the arugument:

    We gun owners are so irresponsible that we can't even lock our guns securely enough to prevent our own children from stealing them. We gun owners are so irresponsible that let our emotions get the best of us and kill others in anger or ourselves in desperation. We gun owners are so irresponsible that we have the means to plot and carry out our plan of evil.

    Your only hope against us, is to arm yourself in return. Because that way, when we do one of the above, you can meet evil with evil.
    I'd just like to at least bring up the fact that this is an over generalization of gun owners. Its easy to get carried away with all the gun stuff and paint us all like irresponsible lunatics.

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    We should start by making automatic and semi automatic guns illegal and their possession a very, very painful sentence. If a person is a gun owner and does not completely ensure its security, then the gun owner needs to face consequences. I feel we should only (if at all) allow a few bullets. We should not even allow anything that helps reload speed like magazines etc. We need to make having a massacre as difficult as possible. The nature of the second amendment was not to allow people to be able to take out a whole room of innocent people.

    And Bonita schools can be modified to ensure safety without looking like a prison.

    This should never be somethng teachers have to deal with. They should be the protected, not the protector.
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    I wanted to point out an irony that just struck me while reading something on Facebook. Abortion is legal because people will do it anyway and this way you can make it safe and regulate it. Smoking and drinking are legal as is the push for pot because people will do it anyway, and that this way it can be made safe and regulated. Why do you think banning all guns will make guns go away?

    ETA - A ton more life is lost through Abortion, Drunk Driving, and accidental overdose than by gun accidents.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AlyssaEimers View Post
    I agree with you that guns do not belong in schools where accidents can happen.

    I do support the right of a sane, law abiding citizen owning a gun or a militia stock piling guns as a defence against a government take over or another country invasion. I just think you need to be very responsible with them.
    Are you expecting your government to turn on you? And isn't the role of the military to defend against invasion?
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    Quote Originally Posted by fuchsiasky View Post
    Are you expecting your government to turn on you? And isn't the role of the military to defend against invasion?
    Do you think there is no chance of there ever being another Civil War?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlyssaEimers View Post
    I wanted to point out an irony that just struck me while reading something on Facebook. Abortion is legal because people will do it anyway and this way you can make it safe and regulate it. Smoking and drinking are legal as is the push for pot because people will do it anyway, and that this way it can be made safe and regulated. Why do you think banning all guns will make guns go away?
    Are you serious? It makes no sense to you to eliminate guns that can create massacres? If we cant get the guns off the streets we can fet the bullets out of the stores. We can get the clips out of the stores. We can start giving out penalties that will make them wish they were never born. We can take steps to reduce the chances of harm against others. What can you do with pot, blow smoke in someone's face? I am not necessarily for lots of things, but the ability to do this much harm should be illegal....period.
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