I also admit to not being IN ANY WAY any sort of expert on weapons. This is by choice, my family does not own guns and we choose a more peaceful, trusting life. We find that way of life more Christian. All I know is that there is no reason for civilians to be wearing full body armor. There is no reasons for a civilian to own a gun capable of firing hundreds of bullets in minutes. I want America to be as intelligent and as safe as other countries in this regard. I just KNOW we are capable of it! I don't know why other people don't have as much faith in our great country.
Congress can pass laws that are clearly unconstitutional. President can sign them. The people can challenge them. SCOTUS decides the outcome. However, SCOTUS doesn't have to hear a case.
DOMA was signed on Sept. 21, 1996. Clearly it violates Art. 4 section 1. It has taken 16 years for SCOTUS to agree to hear a case challenging DOMA.
Thus, the gov't could pass a law restricting the sale and manufature of firearms so those available are at a bare minimum.
I didn't write the 2nd amendment. And I respect people's rights to own certain guns. I also respect the 1st, 4th, 5th, 6th, 8th, 14th, and the 24th amendments which are trampled on "in the name of puplic safety" or "to protect my relgious beliefs but not yours, or to prevent non-existent "threats" to the outcome of elections.
Sure you can say none of that is worth these kids lives but before we go down that road I'd like you to show much how much of a threat a semi-automatic hunting rifle has historically been in these situations that trigger us to take on reforming gun control. I don't support a complete ban on semi-automatic guns for this reason.
Eating venison is a conscious decision on our part for our family diet and health. Its not just a game for fun. And it also brings my kids closer to their meat sources and how we get it which i think is an extremely valuable lesson in teaching them how to eat healthy. I did not grow up in a serious hunting family, i married into one. I sometimes get the feeling that when non-hunting families hear this stuff many of them just roll their eyes and think things like "They just say its that important to them so they can justify it"
I pretty much agree with all of this except that we own guns, for non-violent purposes (against humans that is) and that i don't agree that semi-automatic hunting rifles need to be included in any suggested ban. Do all these other countries that are safer have bans on these types of weapons? I don't know the answer to that question personally.I also admit to not being IN ANY WAY any sort of expert on weapons. This is by choice, my family does not own guns and we choose a more peaceful, trusting life. We find that way of life more Christian. All I know is that there is no reason for civilians to be wearing full body armor. There is no reasons for a civilian to own a gun capable of firing hundreds of bullets in minutes. I want America to be as intelligent and as safe as other countries in this regard. I just KNOW we are capable of it! I don't know why other people don't have as much faith in our great country.
I feel that we are in the throws of knee-jerk reactions at the moment, which is natural given the type of tragedy. But I think people who are proponents of tighter gun laws need to make the effort to be knowledgeable before they start making blanket claims.
ETA: and if numbers showed that the ONLY way that we could reduce the amount of these problems would be by banning those types of guns too, then i would go along with it even if i was not happy about it. But its important enough to my family that i want the proof that its necessary first.
Last edited by KimPossible; 12-19-2012 at 10:04 AM.
(from here http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/17/us...town.html?_r=0)
I don't just want assault rifles banned. I want it to go wayyyy farther than that. But again, I'm not an expert on this stuff, and I want DEEP background checks, mental health checks, waiting periods, all sorts of things, not just bans. As to the other countries, yes, from what I have read on the matter, they do.
Kim, eta : http://www.takepart.com/photos/10-co...cides-per-year
Last edited by Potter75; 12-19-2012 at 10:16 AM.
I understand that not all of you believe an unborn baby is just as much a real live baby and one that was already born. Would you really go up to a woman that has had a miscarriage and say your loss was not real because you were not far enough along or that your baby had not been born yet?
I am not saying the pain is equal, I am saying either the argument holds water, or it doesn't. That you can not use "That they would do it anyway it a back ally" as an excuses for it being legal, when you think that same excuse is crazy for banning guns.
I do not own a gun. I do not have a desire to own a gun, but I believe in the right to own a gun. I am also not arguing banning assault weapons, but banning all guns.
Can you give me specifics on these countries and their laws? I tried to find information about the Australian ban and could not find details, even on their federal government website...which is really annoying. All that other stuff that you want. I'm all for it.I don't just want assault rifles banned. I want it to go wayyyy farther than that. But again, I'm not an expert on this stuff, and I want DEEP background checks, mental health checks, waiting periods, all sorts of things, not just bans. As to the other countries, yes, from what I have read on the matter, they do.
No, but if a women tried to tell me her loss was THE SAME I would tell her that I absolutely disagreed with her and that that viewpoint was very hurtful to women who had experienced the loss of a living child.
I still don't understand your second bolded at all. I don't use the excuse "they would do it in an alley". I believe that women have a right to bodily autonomy. I believe that children and humans have a right to bodily autonomy as well, i.e the right to not be riddled with bullets. What on earth is contradictory about that to you.
Again, you trying to link this tragedy to abortion is hurtful and, in my opinion, sinful.
The pain of losing a wanted pregnancy is certainly real. But I don't think you can compare losing a pregnancy to losing a born child, and I certainly don't think you can compare choosing to end a pregnancy over losing a born child. It's just a way to try to change the conversation back to a certain set of Conservative approved talking points.
From reading the link provided, it seems that some countries completely ban semi-automatics, others don't and some are in between, making exceptions for hunting.
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