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    Quote Originally Posted by smsturner View Post
    Holy crap. It's not working to keep guns out, so let's hand them out to everyone?? And that's going to help? Wow. Just wow.

    Gun free schools DO help, because it stops students from bringing them in. This didn't happen bcs a kid brought them in, it happened because someone out there wasn't even human. He could have bombed from the outside. What do we do in that case? There is evil out there and horrid awful things are going to happen. Bringing more violent weapons into a place where our children spend all day is NOT a good answer.
    Gun free schools have not stopped students from bringing them in. I think it is a great idea. They are NOT giving guns to everyone, maybe you need to reread the post?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jessica80 View Post
    They are my dreams and I hope that it will someday be real. It's real in many countries and it should be in ours since we're so "advanced". Putting MORE guns regardless of the type is not what I want and I wouldn't support it. I send my kids to school to be educated not pretend like they are in a prison with armed guards.
    In many other countries you disarm the populous and the government takes control.. check out Pol Pot, Mao te Tung, Hilter, and Stalin. The amendment was not for hunting or self-protection, it was to protect ourselves from a rogue government. All law abiding citizens should be allowed to own as many and what ever type of weapons they want to. And there should be ZERO repeat offenders, no violent offender should ever be released from prison period. That would eliminate a majority of violent crimes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Potter75 View Post
    oh that's a lie you can tell yourself if you like. But if you look at other countries death rates from gun violence you simply have to admit that there ARE laws that would help. You just don't happen to LIKE those laws, Gloria. I don't believe that America is so much more stupid than England or Scotland or Australia- I think that we know exactly how to curb gun violence and its time we stopped crazy people from standing in our way while our babies are murdered in cold blood.
    You would need to equate violent rates period not just from guns to see if guns deter. Also there are many other factors, so it is a logical fallacy not to include things like recidivism rates, or mental illness, and looking to poverty levels and race and everything.. Look at who is committing the majority of the crimes and then form a plan not the other way around. Punish the offenders not the owners of guns. It is like outlawing cars because the majority of deaths are caused by car accidents.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rivergallery View Post
    In many other countries you disarm the populous and the government takes control.. check out Pol Pot, Mao te Tung, Hilter, and Stalin. The amendment was not for hunting or self-protection, it was to protect ourselves from a rogue government. All law abiding citizens should be allowed to own as many and what ever type of weapons they want to. And there should be ZERO repeat offenders, no violent offender should ever be released from prison period. That would eliminate a majority of violent crimes.
    Your grasp of history terrifies me. Seriously. Are you honestly arguing that hitler and stalin took power because their people had no weapons? They were HUGELY popular. No one was trying to fight back but simply lacked WEAPONS! That is pure fallacy and it is dangerous to spread this sort of revisionist history.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Potter75 View Post
    oh that's a lie you can tell yourself if you like. But if you look at other countries death rates from gun violence you simply have to admit that there ARE laws that would help. You just don't happen to LIKE those laws, Gloria. I don't believe that America is so much more stupid than England or Scotland or Australia- I think that we know exactly how to curb gun violence and its time we stopped crazy people from standing in our way while our babies are murdered in cold blood.
    Really? Did gun laws in Norway stop that man from killing 77 people?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Potter75 View Post
    Your grasp of history terrifies me. Seriously. Are you honestly arguing that hitler and stalin took power because their people had no weapons? They were HUGELY popular. No one was trying to fight back but simply lacked WEAPONS! That is pure fallacy and it is dangerous to spread this sort of revisionist history.
    You do realize they all disarmed the populous first?
    You have read the 2nd amendment and understand it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by GloriaInTX View Post
    Really? Did gun laws in Norway stop that man from killing 77 people?
    No. And if you want to hang your hat on a single incident, go ahead. You are still dead wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GloriaInTX View Post
    Really? Did gun laws in Norway stop that man from killing 77 people?
    Exactly or the rash of stabbings in Chinese Kindergartens?
    Take a look at the recent shooting in Oregon at Clackamas Town Center.. After investigating they KNOW why the gunman stopped... he saw another gun aimed at him.. from someone with a CC weapon! These things are not talked about in main stream media.. Dig deeper please.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GloriaInTX View Post
    Really? Did gun laws in Norway stop that man from killing 77 people?
    Gloria, Norway has some of the lowest murder rates in the world. I think there is a very strong case that gun control is effective there. You can't look at an outlier and say "See? it doesn't work" Just becaues the success rate isn't 100% doesn't mean its ineffective.

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    Honestly I need to walk away from the two of you. It saddens me. And Rivergallery, if you want to interpret the second amendment as giving you the right to own full body armor and assault rifles which can shoot hundreds of bullets in minutes......you terrify me. And if you can look at the beautiful faces of these beautiful babies who were mowed down at close range by HUNDREDS of bullets and argue for your AHMURICAN RIGHT GOSHGDANG IT to arm yourself to the teeth......well, I simply wonder what humanity chip you are missing.

    My heart breaks and I'm crying again thinking that we could share a country. That we could all three be mothers and draw the same conclusions when we see the bodies of 6 year olds riddled with bullets. You worry about your RIGHTS when babies die. That just breaks my heart.

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