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    Quote Originally Posted by Rivergallery View Post
    Do you realize how long it would take the police to get to my home? IF they leave as soon as I call 911 it would take them at least 15 minutes if they are speeding, that is about as fast as you could drive it if everyone was out of the way.. HOWEVER there is road construction right now, and realistically it would take at least 20minutes.. if they drove the speed limit and people weren't moving out of the way.. 25-30minutes.... I could have already been raped, killed and dismembered and buried ... sorry not my idea of protection. Same for my children. It might work if we lived it town.
    I do understand about the war of 1912, but you didn't have states fighting states. Nor the huge issue with gaining freedom from England or France did you? There were still ties to England as late as the 80s right? America wanted to be free. Hence our desire for freedoms. And our desire NOT to allow the government to take them.
    I don't actually have an issue with people having guns in the home for protection. I have issue with CC and assault weapons on the streets. Sure have a gun. Leave it at home when you aren't going to shoot the wrong person.

    As to your history:
    1. It was the war of 1812. We had a rouge nation down south attack us and we had to defend from the US. There is a huge amount of history where the US has tried to take over Canada. We have as much right arm ourselves against you as you do against your neighbours. Yet we choose not to. Because we have decided to trust that your nation will not try to invade us. Again.
    2. We are still part of the Commonwealth so we still have ties to England. In fact we still have a Queen. Where your nation has chose "freedom" we have chosen to remain allied with a network of nations.

    When does the right of small children to live outweigh the right to "fight for freedom" from an imagined enemy?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rivergallery View Post
    Unsafe compared to what... #1 you are assuming it is less safe because a policeman can't get here. #2 you are assuming what firearms we have. #3 you are assuming how prolific we are at using them.
    I never said it was unsafe. I said a policeman isn't in my safety plan, FUSHIA wanted to leave all the defense up to the police. It is nieve and ignorant to think that the police can protect you.
    Then why have them at all? Why hire people to protect you if you don't think it will happen? I trust our police forces to do their damnedest to protect people. Does it always work? No. Because they are human like the rest of us. Which is why I have never been opposed to guns in the home for personal protection. I said that in my last post.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rivergallery View Post
    Unsafe compared to what... #1 you are assuming it is less safe because a policeman can't get here. #2 you are assuming what firearms we have. #3 you are assuming how prolific we are at using them.
    I never said it was unsafe. I said a policeman isn't in my safety plan, FUSHIA wanted to leave all the defense up to the police. It is nieve and ignorant to think that the police can protect you.
    It's naive to think that police can protect us? Really? I guess you're just as naive to think that educated teachers cannot teach your children so that is why you home school....

    What is so interesting to me is that gun owners are so adamant about keeping their guns locked up, a lot of them putting the bullets in different places from the hiding spots of the actual guns. Do you honestly think that if someone comes into your home with the intent to shoot you, that you will have time to go get your gun, go get the bullets, and get everything together to defend yourself? If someone is going to shoot you, most likely they will just do it without any sort of warning.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mommytoMR.FACE View Post
    What is so interesting to me is that gun owners are so adamant about keeping their guns locked up, a lot of them putting the bullets in different places from the hiding spots of the actual guns. Do you honestly think that if someone comes into your home with the intent to shoot you, that you will have time to go get your gun, go get the bullets, and get everything together to defend yourself? If someone is going to shoot you, most likely they will just do it without any sort of warning.
    Lets not generalize. Plenty of gun owners know this makes no sense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fuchsiasky View Post
    I don't actually have an issue with people having guns in the home for protection. I have issue with CC and assault weapons on the streets. Sure have a gun. Leave it at home when you aren't going to shoot the wrong person.

    As to your history:
    1. It was the war of 1812. We had a rouge nation down south attack us and we had to defend from the US. There is a huge amount of history where the US has tried to take over Canada. We have as much right arm ourselves against you as you do against your neighbours. Yet we choose not to. Because we have decided to trust that your nation will not try to invade us. Again.
    2. We are still part of the Commonwealth so we still have ties to England. In fact we still have a Queen. Where your nation has chose "freedom" we have chosen to remain allied with a network of nations.

    When does the right of small children to live outweigh the right to "fight for freedom" from an imagined enemy?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Potter75 View Post
    I have said time and agin that I don't disagree with the 2nd amendment. And yes, if your children are so far from police help they are isolated. And yes, if you teach them, and if you teach them the same stuff you say on here, you are teaching them rhetoric. As to weapons, I don't know what you are stockpiling, I simply know that you are arguing that you should be. That is scary. You are arguing that in other countries bad things happen when smart people like you DON'T stockpile.

    ANywhy, I'm going to go eat some hippy popcorn with my husband. Goodnight! Goodluck!
    1- Saying the 2nd amendment was written so that we could form a militia not to protect hunting rights or personal protection isn't rhetoric, it is simply reading it.
    2- Again you have no idea what I am teaching my children, nor do I have any idea what you are teaching yours.
    3- Do you know how long it would realistically take the Police to reach your home in case of emergency? While I was in the city a few months ago I had the need to call 911, I was put on hold for 5 min before I gave up.
    4- I never once said people SHOULD stockpile, I said we should have the right to if we want. I don't see law abiding citizens with CC permits shooting up children.
    5- No, I said bad things CAN happen. IE dictators take over easier if the populous is disarmed first.
    6- I like hippy popcorn too .

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    Quote Originally Posted by mommytoMR.FACE View Post
    When it's easier to obtain a gun than it is to obtain mental health help, there is a definite issue. Putting guns in schools to reduce gun crimes in schools makes NO SENSE.
    I do think mental health should be made easier to access for sure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mommytoMR.FACE View Post
    It's naive to think that police can protect us? Really? I guess you're just as naive to think that educated teachers cannot teach your children so that is why you home school....

    What is so interesting to me is that gun owners are so adamant about keeping their guns locked up, a lot of them putting the bullets in different places from the hiding spots of the actual guns. Do you honestly think that if someone comes into your home with the intent to shoot you, that you will have time to go get your gun, go get the bullets, and get everything together to defend yourself? If someone is going to shoot you, most likely they will just do it without any sort of warning.
    --- And a policeman is going to get to my house quicker than I can get to my gun?
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    Quote Originally Posted by fuchsiasky View Post
    Then why have them at all? Why hire people to protect you if you don't think it will happen? I trust our police forces to do their damnedest to protect people. Does it always work? No. Because they are human like the rest of us. Which is why I have never been opposed to guns in the home for personal protection. I said that in my last post.
    I think that is a good personal balance you have... But in how many crimes have the police actually stopped the crime? I know they do their damnedest. I trust them also. But It is simple fact they can not stop crime. They can deter it somewhat (when they are patroling criminals will wait till they are not patroling for example), but usually they are the cleanup crew. Or going after the perp after the crime.

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    Did anyone else read this article? I find it relevant about why I'm generally opposed to the number of guns circulating in our country.

    Vijay Prashad: Deaths of children that don

    The part that sticks out in my reading was this:
    When a singular mass killing occurs in mainly affluent suburbs, it shocks the nation — and rightly so. But it might be a shock to some to know that this year alone 117 children died from handgun violence in Chicago. These deaths do not get discussed, let alone memorialized in the national conversation of tragedy.

    117!!! Children. In Chicago. From guns. Sick and twisted. And nearly all "accidental". I don't want to discuss the kids in the drone strikes (maybe another debate....) But relevant to this debate, I don't know how one defends gun ownership/use in our country.

    You can always find stories of children accidentally shot from handguns in the home.

    This scares the bejeebees out of me, too. Which is why I ask every parent where a child of mine goes if they own guns and if yes, where and how they store them. From:
    HealthyChildren.org - Handguns in the Home

    Even if you don't have guns in your own home, that won't eliminate your child's risks. Half of the homes in the United States contain firearms, and more than a third of all accidental shootings of children take place in the homes of their friends, neighbors, or relatives. A Center to Prevent Handgun Violence survey estimated that about 135,000 students carried handguns to school each day, and another 270,000 brought handguns to school at least once; that figure may be even higher today.
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