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    Quote Originally Posted by Potter75 View Post
    You find the NRA proposing a "solution" which leads to the increased sales of their drug of choice proof that things are "bad"? I find it proof that the NRA are selfish, power hungry, as*sholes more concerned with their own profit and power than with the actual best interests of the country.
    This.

    And is the NRA going to cover the costs of an officer in every school? Didn't think so.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fuchsiasky View Post
    This.

    And is the NRA going to cover the costs of an officer in every school? Didn't think so.

    They wouldn't have to cover the costs if they let teachers carry. NH, TX, AZ (and one other state?) let teachers carry concealed weapons.

    The schools already have an officer dedicated to that school, they are only a resource officer which means they aren't there ALL the time. Or at least in my kids schools.

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    I can not even imagine our teachers carrying weapons. I'm sure they can't either. This is not the solution.
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    Absolutely not comfortable with teachers carrying weapons in school. I'm iffy on having a full time armed officer there all the time. It just seems like it will feel like a jail and not the feeling of safety that is intended.

    I have appreciated the increased police presence in our school system. More so on since I was a bit nervous about copy cat/end of the world stunts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Potter75 View Post
    You find the NRA proposing a "solution" which leads to the increased sales of their drug of choice proof that things are "bad"? I find it proof that the NRA are selfish, power hungry, as*sholes more concerned with their own profit and power than with the actual best interests of the country.

    Yes, i do. The fact that they waited a wk to make any sort of statement shows something. If they were concerned with their own profit don't you think they would have released that type (or any) of statement the day it happened?

    I can tell you right now, if nothing gets changed and when another school shooting happens there are going to be a hell of alot of people who will not send there kids back and home-school them instead.....myself included.

    How much more proof do you need that what we are currently doing to try to keep children at school safe obviously isn't working? They deserve a he!! of alot better.

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    Armed guards, locked entryways, cameras: Schools seek security after Sandy Hook - U.S. News

    Federal funds for school safety — the Readiness and Emergency Management for Schools (REMS) project — were eliminated in March 2011. Now the money must come from local taxpayers.


    Readiness and Emergency Management for Schools (REMS) Technical Assistance (TA) Center

    The REMS Technical Assistance Center's primary goal is to support schools, school districts, and institutions of higher education in emergency management, including the development and implementation of comprehensive emergency and crisis response plans. The TA Center disseminates information about emergency management to help schools, school districts, and institutions of higher education learn more about developing, implementing, and evaluating crisis plans. In addition, the TA Center helps the OSHS coordinate technical assistance meetings, manage listservs for sharing emergency management planning information, and respond to direct requests for technical assistance

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sapphire Sunsets View Post
    Yes, i do. The fact that they waited a wk to make any sort of statement shows something. If they were concerned with their own profit don't you think they would have released that type (or any) of statement the day it happened?

    I can tell you right now, if nothing gets changed and when another school shooting happens there are going to be a hell of alot of people who will not send there kids back and home-school them instead.....myself included.

    How much more proof do you need that what we are currently doing to try to keep children at school safe obviously isn't working? They deserve a he!! of alot better.
    Sorry, you think them waiting a week to make this pathetic, insulting statement somehow gives them more credibility? I disagree.

    You should really pull your kids out now, then. And don't take them to malls, or movie theatres, or restaurants, either. Sounds like a great plan. Or do you want to arm all fast food workers, movie concession people, mall employees etc etc? Because public massacres are happening there, too. In fact, that sounds like the NRA's dream! EVERYONE would be carrying a gun, and we could all just shoot at one another all day long! It would be like the wild west, right here in modern day America. Yee~HAWWW!!!

    How much more proof do YOU need that this country is out of control ~ and that it is consistently proven that other countries can and do control their homicide rates by severely limiting gun access.

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    NRA Leader Wayne LaPierre's Much-Criticized Sandy Hook Speech Was Actually Quite Effective




    Spend enough time dipping into the post-game reaction of NRA leader Wayne LaPierre's press conference today -- staged and performed as the organization's first public statement since the tragic school shootings at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Conn. -- and you'll likely run up on any number of people who'll tell you the LaPierre's presentation (which included calls for more guns in schools and greater restrictions on video games) was tone-deaf or ineffective or out-of-touch or a failure.
    Those critics are wrong. LaPierre's presentation was terrifically effective.
    Granted, if you believe that what LaPierre was trying to do today was to sincerely join in a national conversation over school shootings, or offer a coherent set of preventative policy options, or even just demonstrate some baseline sensitivity for the lives that were lost, it is easy to see why you'd deem LaPierre's press conference to be an ineffective, tone-deaf failure. But what you should remember that the National Rifle Association does not exist to offer sensible public policy or participate in conversations or pretend to be sensitive about tragedies. The National Rifle Association exists to assist the manufacturers of guns and gun-related accoutrements in selling guns and gun-related accoutrements to people. That is their job, summed up, in its entirety.
    The NRA are lobbyists who represent a bunch of gun retailers, and this is what lobbyists do -- they help their clients sell their products. And every action that LaPierre took today can and should be viewed through that prism.
    There are people who claim to be legitimately gobsmacked today that LaPierre did not come to Washington, D.C., and say, "You know, I honestly think we can give ground on the assault weapons thing." Those people need to ask themselves: Why would a guy who is paid to help assault weapon manufacturers sell assault weapons to people who want assault weapons say, "Hey, let's restrict the sales of assault weapons?" If you thought that the NRA was going to sign on to any sort of weapons ban, then you have not been paying attention to what the NRA is all about.
    Lots of people who have read Buzzfeed's listicle of "10 Things The NRA Blamed For The Sandy Hook Massacre" have noted that one of the things that the NRA wentawfully easy on was the actual Sandy Hook Massacre-er, Adam Lanza. Here's what LaPierre had to say about Lanza:
    The truth is that our society is populated by an unknown number of genuine monsters — people so deranged, so evil, so possessed by voices and driven by demons that no sane person can possibly ever comprehend them. They walk among us every day. And does anybody really believe that the next Adam Lanza isn't planning his attack on a school he's already identified at this very moment?
    See, LaPierre knows that people like Lanza exist, and he's capable of manifesting righteous anger against the things that he believes exclusively shape people like Lanza. And those things are the other things on that Buzzfeed list: video games and celebrities and the media and movies and President Obama.

    But at the same time, he probably knows that the next Adam Lanza might have a mother with a stable source of income -- if not a stable source of income himself. And he's not going to get in the way of some of that money going to a gun manufacturer.
    Yes -- the entire idea that we should create a small army of minimum-wage mercenaries to guard schools, which LaPierre promoted today, is certifiably stupid. As Salon's Alex Seitz-Wald reported, ABC News undertook an experiment back in 2009 where they demonstrated that you could arm people, train them to use their weapon, put them in a school, warn them that there would be an attack on their school, and they would still massively fail to stop the armed assailant that they knew was going to arrive.
    Beyond the practicalities, however, the idea is pretty much a political non-starter, as the party that likes guns does not like spending tax dollars (least of all on public schools), and the party that likes public schools does not like handing out guns willy-nilly to glorified rent-a-cops.
    In case you were wondering, the cost involved with putting an armed guard in every single school in America would be around $18 billion and no, the phrase "private-sector solution" was never uttered by LaPierre during his press conference.
    But LaPierre is happy to put the notion out there. Who knows? It's not likely that the federal government will pass a law that will create this Paul Blart Army of school defenders, but on the off-chance they do, all it means is that someone is going to have to purchase some guns. And maybe there are some states or counties or municipalities that can be suckered into passing a similar law, increasing the opportunities for gun retailers. (One thing's for sure, it probably won't be a county or municipality that has learned the hard way that placing an armed guard as a school won't prevent gun-related mayhem ... like, say, Jefferson County, Colo.)
    So, people wonder how LaPierre could have been so dumb as to sit on his hands for one week and then deliver the presentation he delivered today. And people wonder if, as a result of today's presentation, David Gregory is going to tear LaPierre a new one on "Meet The Press" this weekend. The people who wonder that have obviously not been watching David Gregory or "Meet The Press" lately, but that's beside the point.
    Wayne LaPierre is only too happy to lose an argument to David Gregory. Wayne LaPierre is only too happy to have people criticize the NRA for its response. Wayne LaPierre hears the scorn that you have for his "guns in schools" idea, and he welcomes it. That's because today, Wayne LaPierre did not go out in front of reporters in a sincere attempt to mount a policy argument or craft a solution or engender warm feelings from his critics. Today was about synergy. Wayne LaPierre went out in front of reporters because he knew it was time to leverage the Sandy Hook shooting into a unique, sales-boosting opportunity for the industry he represents.
    And what's going on in Connecticut today?
    So, you maybe didn't notice, but today was a good day for Wayne LaPierre.http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/1...n_2348277.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jessica80 View Post
    Absolutely not comfortable with teachers carrying weapons in school. I'm iffy on having a full time armed officer there all the time. It just seems like it will feel like a jail and not the feeling of safety that is intended.

    I have appreciated the increased police presence in our school system. More so on since I was a bit nervous about copy cat/end of the world stunts.
    I don't think it would feel like a prison. airports don;t feel like prisons. I've been to malls that have an actual police department in it...it doesn't feel like prison.

    I can't think of a place I would love to have a full time officer on the premise more, even before this happened. I just figure its a cost thing.

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    I think armed guards could be a huge step in the right directions of keeping our schools safe. Besides shootings there are a lot of violent things happening at schools and have a trained police presence could help with all of it
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