The Guardian Plan - Page 3
Closed Thread
Page 3 of 53 FirstFirst 123456713 ... LastLast
Results 21 to 30 of 528
Like Tree233Likes

Thread: The Guardian Plan

  1. #21
    Posting Addict GloriaInTX's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2008
    Location
    Dallas, TX
    Posts
    7,632

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by KimPossible View Post
    I would not be a fan of arming teachers. They already have a full time job, i dont' think they are in a position to take on proper security training to be the first line of defense in an emergency, and without that, i don't see that as a benefit, i see it as a detriment.

    I don't nec. have a problem with adding actual security staff though. A friend of mine in a neighboring district reported that there was a police SUV in her school lot yesterday when she arrived there. She talked to him and he said "I am here to look after the kids, and you will see me more often."

    But armed teachers? No i don't want that. I think security and law enforcement should be handled by people who's professions are security and law enforcement related.
    No one said arm every teacher. Only those that WANT to go through the proper training. They could even set up a special FBI training course or something. There are many teachers in our society that even have previous military or law-enforcement experience. I was listening to the radio this morning and a teacher called in who was in the reserves and served in Iraq. Why should he not be able to protect his students if the wants to?
    Sapphire Sunsets likes this.
    Mom to Lee, Jake, Brandon, Rocco
    Stepmom to Ryan, Regan, Braden, Baley
    Granddaughters Kylie 10/18/2010 & Aleya 4/22/2013


    I never consider a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosopy, as a cause for withdrawing from a friend. --Thomas Jefferson

  2. #22
    Posting Addict Rivergallery's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2003
    Location
    Oregon
    Posts
    9,776

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by KimPossible View Post
    Gloria, Norway has some of the lowest murder rates in the world. I think there is a very strong case that gun control is effective there. You can't look at an outlier and say "See? it doesn't work" Just becaues the success rate isn't 100% doesn't mean its ineffective.
    You don't think it has anything to do with the lower poverty levels? .. not sure I would want to move to a place where someone can do such a violent crime and get out in a MAX of 30 years.
    DH-Aug 30th 1997 Josiah - 6/3/02 Isaac 7/31/03

  3. #23
    Posting Addict Rivergallery's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2003
    Location
    Oregon
    Posts
    9,776

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Potter75 View Post
    Honestly I need to walk away from the two of you. It saddens me. And Rivergallery, if you want to interpret the second amendment as giving you the right to own full body armor and assault rifles which can shoot hundreds of bullets in minutes......you terrify me. And if you can look at the beautiful faces of these beautiful babies who were mowed down at close range by HUNDREDS of bullets and argue for your AHMURICAN RIGHT GOSHGDANG IT to arm yourself to the teeth......well, I simply wonder what humanity chip you are missing.

    My heart breaks and I'm crying again thinking that we could share a country. That we could all three be mothers and draw the same conclusions when we see the bodies of 6 year olds riddled with bullets. You worry about your RIGHTS when babies die. That just breaks my heart.

    Over and out.
    What is a milita?

  4. #24
    Posting Addict GloriaInTX's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2008
    Location
    Dallas, TX
    Posts
    7,632

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Potter75 View Post
    Honestly I need to walk away from the two of you. It saddens me. And Rivergallery, if you want to interpret the second amendment as giving you the right to own full body armor and assault rifles which can shoot hundreds of bullets in minutes......you terrify me. And if you can look at the beautiful faces of these beautiful babies who were mowed down at close range by HUNDREDS of bullets and argue for your AHMURICAN RIGHT GOSHGDANG IT to arm yourself to the teeth......well, I simply wonder what humanity chip you are missing.

    My heart breaks and I'm crying again thinking that we could share a country. That we could all three be mothers and draw the same conclusions when we see the bodies of 6 year olds riddled with bullets. You worry about your RIGHTS when babies die. That just breaks my heart.

    Over and out.
    What saddens me and breaks my heart is that some of those teachers KNEW the gunman was coming and could do NOTHING but try to hide their children or shield them with their bodies. The shooting was heard over the loudspeaker and all the teachers in the school knew they were in danger and could do nothing but sit there like ducks waiting to be slaughtered. If it makes me sick to my stomach that they had no way to protect themselves because liberals want to dream about the perfect society instead of live in the real world.
    Sapphire Sunsets likes this.
    Mom to Lee, Jake, Brandon, Rocco
    Stepmom to Ryan, Regan, Braden, Baley
    Granddaughters Kylie 10/18/2010 & Aleya 4/22/2013


    I never consider a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosopy, as a cause for withdrawing from a friend. --Thomas Jefferson

  5. #25
    Posting Addict Rivergallery's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2003
    Location
    Oregon
    Posts
    9,776

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Potter75 View Post
    Honestly I need to walk away from the two of you. It saddens me. And Rivergallery, if you want to interpret the second amendment as giving you the right to own full body armor and assault rifles which can shoot hundreds of bullets in minutes......you terrify me. And if you can look at the beautiful faces of these beautiful babies who were mowed down at close range by HUNDREDS of bullets and argue for your AHMURICAN RIGHT GOSHGDANG IT to arm yourself to the teeth......well, I simply wonder what humanity chip you are missing.

    My heart breaks and I'm crying again thinking that we could share a country. That we could all three be mothers and draw the same conclusions when we see the bodies of 6 year olds riddled with bullets. You worry about your RIGHTS when babies die. That just breaks my heart.

    Over and out.
    You want to now want to paint me evil so you can justify things? I can use the statement on you that YOU can look at holocaust victims and say we should open ourselves up to another rogue government. Thing is history has shown time and again, you disarm the public you can open yourselves up to this.. You want another Hitler? As far as I know the % of law abiding citizens that own guns committing a crime with said guns is incredibly LOW. The shooter in this case was already committing crimes, he STOLE the guns for one, wasn't 21 so couldn't even own one of the guns, and one was illegal in the state as far as I know.. So.... Gun laws do not stop violent crime... CULTURE does.. low inequality, low mental illness, strong sense of a collective right and wrong that is taught to children. Not whatever you feel is right for you is right.. etc.

    Have we so soon forgotten 9/11? Those men were armed with Boxcutters. If a few of the people in that last plane that crashed into the field would have been armed I venture to make a calculated guess that they would have killed the terrorists. Possibly not in the other cases if they didn't know what was going on.. depends on who was armed.

  6. #26
    Posting Addict Rivergallery's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2003
    Location
    Oregon
    Posts
    9,776

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by GloriaInTX View Post
    What saddens me and breaks my heart is that some of those teachers KNEW the gunman was coming and could do NOTHING but try to hide their children or shield them with their bodies. The shooting was heard over the loudspeaker and all the teachers in the school knew they were in danger and could do nothing but sit there like ducks waiting to be slaughtered. If it makes me sick to my stomach that they had no way to protect themselves because liberals want to dream about the perfect society instead of live in the real world.
    And two, as far as I read, the counselor and Principal rushed at the shooter. If they had been trained in firearms and been packing they would have shot at him I think, if they were willing to step out to stop him. He would have died. If the staff when he entered the school had been carrying all the children would be alive.
    DH-Aug 30th 1997 Josiah - 6/3/02 Isaac 7/31/03

  7. #27
    Posting Addict KimPossible's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2002
    Posts
    20,184

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by GloriaInTX View Post
    No one said arm every teacher. Only those that WANT to go through the proper training. They could even set up a special FBI training course or something. There are many teachers in our society that even have previous military or law-enforcement experience. I was listening to the radio this morning and a teacher called in who was in the reserves and served in Iraq. Why should he not be able to protect his students if the wants to?
    Sorry Gloria, I don't like it. They already have a job and i don't think this is part of it. Are there some who would already be fully qualified? Perhaps...but i don't want to play the game of figuring out which ones are and which ones aren't. I dont' want our full time teachers spending more time being trained on the clock for something they shouldnt' have to do or bear the responsiblity of doing, even if they want to. And i don't want to waste any time in our educations system telling someone who wants to that they haven't qualified for some reason or another.

    If we think we need security at schools, then I think we should hire or outsource appropriate staff focused on that actual task. Like other places do.
    fuchsiasky likes this.

  8. #28
    Posting Addict KimPossible's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2002
    Posts
    20,184

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Rivergallery View Post
    You don't think it has anything to do with the lower poverty levels? .. not sure I would want to move to a place where someone can do such a violent crime and get out in a MAX of 30 years.
    I think it can be attributed to a lot of things. Why are you so positive that gun control is not part of that equation?

  9. #29
    Posting Addict Rivergallery's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2003
    Location
    Oregon
    Posts
    9,776

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Potter75 View Post
    Your grasp of history terrifies me. Seriously. Are you honestly arguing that hitler and stalin took power because their people had no weapons? They were HUGELY popular. No one was trying to fight back but simply lacked WEAPONS! That is pure fallacy and it is dangerous to spread this sort of revisionist history.
    "No one was trying to fight back"? Really.. what a lie.
    DH-Aug 30th 1997 Josiah - 6/3/02 Isaac 7/31/03

  10. #30
    Posting Addict Rivergallery's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2003
    Location
    Oregon
    Posts
    9,776

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by KimPossible View Post
    Sorry Gloria, I don't like it. They already have a job and i don't think this is part of it. Are there some who would already be fully qualified? Perhaps...but i don't want to play the game of figuring out which ones are and which ones aren't. I dont' want our full time teachers spending more time being trained on the clock for something they shouldnt' have to do or bear the responsiblity of doing, even if they want to. And i don't want to waste any time in our educations system telling someone who wants to that they haven't qualified for some reason or another.

    If we think we need security at schools, then I think we should hire or outsource appropriate staff focused on that actual task. Like other places do.
    I think this is a good option. But I do not think we should deny anyone from CC if they can obtain one legally, this includes teachers.

Closed Thread
Page 3 of 53 FirstFirst 123456713 ... LastLast

Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
v -->

About Us | Contact Us | Privacy Policy | Sitemap | Terms & Conditions