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    You should have to pay gun insurance just like car insurance (as Gloria pointed out both are weapons!)
    your gun and ammunition should be subject to annual inspection (just like your car)

    you should not be allowed to be able to own more than one gun in your home.
    If you want to own a hunting weapon you should have to store it legally at your local hunting club.
    No more gun show loopholes.
    mental health checks mmandatory substance abuse/DUI checks mandatory
    60 day waiting period mandatory.

    lots more great ideas ------- friends, add yours!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Potter75 View Post
    I've never argued the point that people are buying INTO his lobby, simply pointing out what his lobby is. It obviously isn't working on a certain demographic, it isn't working on my particular social/economic demographic, but it is working on the demographic he already has sold his propaganda hook, line, and sinker, too. So right now he is just sitting back and counting his money (as are the arms dealers). "Good gun owners" like Nancy Lanza are probably out stuffing guns into their pockets willy nilly "just in case" the big bad government comes to take them away from us.................(oh wait, that good gun owner is dead), but you know, the other good gun owners are............. Sometimes in their fury to protect some amendment that I bet a frighteningly large fraction of them cannot even read, they also neglect to remember their civic duty. Nancy Lanza didn't keep hers. A FRIGHTENING amount of gun owners don't. Don't kid yourself.


    ...and meanwhile 20 babies and their innocent teachers and administrators are dead. And probably 100 Americans have died from guns since Newtown. BUT, lets not talk about that little "mess", shall we?

    I can only speak from my little corner of the world. But from where I sit on my peaceful couch at the beach as my kids put a puzzle together with their dad and we drink some wine..........I have to say that I think that it's a bunch of scary people running out and buying more guns. I won't use the word crazy as I know that can draw strong emotions........but scary. People who I am scared of. People who I really hope I never, ever encounter on a daily basis. Because I don't want their worldview to even taint mine.

    Gun owners looking to protect their rights are not able to read the second amendment? Do you have statistics for illiteracy among gun owners, or is that just your personal judgement?
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    A actually meant to write : have not read the 2nd amendment- or could not correctly apply its relevancy to today. But as an aside I would be curious as to how gun owners (legal and illegal ) compare in terms of literacy to non gun owning Americans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Potter75 View Post
    You should have to pay gun insurance just like car insurance (as Gloria pointed out both are weapons!)
    your gun and ammunition should be subject to annual inspection (just like your car)

    you should not be allowed to be able to own more than one gun in your home.
    If you want to own a hunting weapon you should have to store it legally at your local hunting club.
    No more gun show loopholes.
    mental health checks mmandatory substance abuse/DUI checks mandatory
    60 day waiting period mandatory.

    lots more great ideas ------- friends, add yours!

    I agree with all that. But, the question is how to get those ideas from paper to being actual.

    One issue; substance abuse/dui checks cost money. Unless thats going to come from the gun owners themselves i can't see taxes for that getting passed ever.




    also ftr, My dad has had guns (mostly used for hunting) for a long as i can remember. I always knew he had them. To this day (I'm almost 40 yrs old) i have no idea where his gun locker is (and don't want to know).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sapphire Sunsets View Post
    I agree with all that. But, the question is how to get those ideas from paper to being actual.

    One issue; substance abuse/dui checks cost money. Unless thats going to come from the gun owners themselves i can't see taxes for that getting passed ever.




    also ftr, My dad has had guns (mostly used for hunting) for a long as i can remember. I always knew he had them. To this day (I'm almost 40 yrs old) i have no idea where his gun locker is (and don't want to know).
    Of course they can pay for their own background checks. It's a paid service for a privilage. Common practice in America. As is insurance and annual inspections. Somehow the NRA has brainwashed America that powerful weapons ought be exempt. Fail. The NRA could also cover these costs for their members.

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    This study is downright fascinating. Bolding mine.

    We don't know why, but as to how we're going to prevent future massacres, Americans are ready for major gun reform
    Before we get to the results, one word on the sample composition of this Public Policy Polling poll for Daily Kos -- 54 percent of respondents say they own a gun, while the University of Chicago’s General Social Survey reported households owning firearm fell from 54% in 1977 to 32% percent in 2010.In other words, this poll oversamples gun owners. It's skewed toward those who own guns. So remember that little tidbit as you digest just how awful these numbers are for the NRA and its allies.
    Public Policy Polling for Daily Kos. 12/18-19. 1,000 Registered voters. MoE 3.1% (No trendlines)
    92 percent of conservatives and 94 percent of Republicans agree. So do 93 percent of southerners. There is no partisan or geographic split on the question. 90 percent of gun owners agree.
    More below the fold.

    Conservatives support this 59-31 (compared to 71-21 among liberals), Republicans support it 57-35, Southerners are more like to support this than Midwesterners or Westerners, gun owners agree 55-36, and hunters agree 52-38.
    Conservatives support such a ban 50-43, compared to liberals 74-24. Republicans support it 50-44. There isn't big geographic differences, as Southerners support a ban 60-35 and Northeasterners support one 68-30. Gun owners support a ban 51-44, but hunters oppose it narrowly, 47-48.
    Conservatives support such a ban 61-34, Southerners (at 69-25) support such a ban more than Midwesterners and Westerners, though there is little difference, gun owners support it 59-36, and hunters support it 57-38.
    Conservatives support closing this loophole 71-23, Southerners support it 73-22, and Hunters support it 64-30.
    Everyone agrees this is a no-brainer. Well, except the NRA.
    Conservatives support such a ban 51-42, Southerners support it 60-33, gun owners support it 53-42, and hunters support it 50-46.
    There is little partisan difference. Conservatives think hunting with assault rifles is unnecessary by a 70-22 margin, for example. But what's crazy is we cross-referenced this question with the 73 percent of respondents who had a favorable opinion of hunting, and among that crowd, 21 think assault weapons are necessary to hunt, while 73 percent don't.
    In other words, the vast majority of people who like hunting think hunting with assault rifles isidiotic stupid ridiculous unnecessary.
    There are places where partisan differences did arise. For example, 36 percent of conservatives said they were more interested in buying a gun after the Sandy Hook massacre, while 23 percent were less interested. Among liberals, it was 10 percent more, 40 percent less, and among moderates it was 16 percent more, 32 percent less.
    And asked whether gun violence can be solved with more guns, or more restrictions, 46 percent of conservatives wanted more guns compared to 35 percent who wanted more restrictions. It was 22-56 among liberals, 23-56 among moderates.
    That's quite the contradiction, isn't it? While conservatives backed all those common-sensical gun restrictions, they still thought more guns were the answer to gun violence. Don't ask me to decipher that little bit of cognitive dissonance.
    Finally, 51 percent of conservatives think guns are a "necessary check on government tyranny", while 25 percent aren't paranoid. Among liberals, the numbers are reversed, 26-51. The teabaggers are particularly enamored with that fantasy, with 65 percent thinking that a bunch of pretend militia members with rifles can provide a check on a government that can employ drones and Seal Team Six to take them out. Only 17 percent are too smart to believe that.
    But whatever the motivations, or pretensions, or cognitive dissonance, fact is that even conservatives support strongly the common-sense restrictions of requiring background checks and mental health examinations before buying guns, support the banning of assault rifles, support banning the sale of guns and bullets over the internet, support closing the gun-show loophole, support prohibiting violent felons from owning guns, and support banning high-capacity magazines that hold more than 10 rounds.
    So it's not Americans standing in the way of such regulations. It's the NRA and its allies in Congress, on behalf of a distinct outlier minority of crazies.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Potter75 View Post
    Yes, thaTs what I'm saying, you are proving my point. People who are buying his rhetoric and fear are answering his call like simpleminded little children, all while fattening the coffers of the NRA (like nancy Lanza did!) and...... Well..... Look what good it did her. The rest of us just stand back appalled and shocked, not having been brought up on such rhetoric and brainwashing it has no effect on us. Our normal, logical, intelligent response is to find a real solution to this tragedy, to mourn with the victims, to put their needs first right now, and to actively seek real solutions to this problem. It's so obvious, it's shocking you can't see what the article you posted shows.
    I do not believe it is the NRA that has caused the spike in gun sales because they were selling out before the NRA even made a statement. I believe it is the talk of making guns harder to get. Like a "get it while you still can" mentality. A much more light hearted example would be When Twinkies were no longer going to be made, people who had not eaten them in years went out and bought them in bulk. I personally know several people IRL who have never owned a gun in their life, have gone out and bought a gun in the last few weeks. It was not because of the NRA, but because they were afraid they would loose the ability to buy one in the future.

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    Sorry, DP.
    Last edited by AlyssaEimers; 12-30-2012 at 08:06 PM. Reason: typo

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    Quote Originally Posted by Potter75 View Post
    You should have to pay gun insurance just like car insurance (as Gloria pointed out both are weapons!)
    your gun and ammunition should be subject to annual inspection (just like your car)

    you should not be allowed to be able to own more than one gun in your home.
    If you want to own a hunting weapon you should have to store it legally at your local hunting club.
    No more gun show loopholes.
    mental health checks mmandatory substance abuse/DUI checks mandatory
    60 day waiting period mandatory.

    lots more great ideas ------- friends, add yours!
    I would say this mentality right here is what is causing gun supporters to go out in droves and buy guns. Because even if for chance this could be passed, It would have to be grandfathered in, allowing the currently owned guns to be kept, but putting restrictions on new sales.

    (Not saying what I do or do not agree with, just what I think the reason in the current spike in sales is.)

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    We should be able to install a findmyiphone or LoJack on guns. Not something that can be activated willy-nilly, but if my car or iPad get stolen, I have at least something to help me find it. Is there anything for firearms?

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