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    I won't argue that. He may have had access to them and maybe in the time it took someone would catch on to him. There is a lot of ifs. They only definite is that he had immediate access to guns and shouldn't have....and a bunch of innocent people died because of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mom3girls View Post
    I have not argued once that we need guns to fight the bad guys. We are not passionate gun owners here, we have them for hunting (which we do not do right now as DH is just starting to work on his PHD, silly uneducated man)
    My argument comes from the idea that unless a person commits a crime, they should be allowed to own guns. Just like I believe people should be allowed to consume alcohol unless they get behind the wheel of a car.

    I am also very vocally against your stereotype of gun owners, and your negativity against the culture in america that does not align with yours.
    I would agree with (most) everything youve said (other than you tipyfying me based on my replies to Gloria or shining bright or whatever, who I view as very tremendously outrageous). I've freely admitted that most of the gun owners I know are super wealthy. They themselves skew the number. They are killing zebras and pronghorns- not hoodie wearers. Then again, they don't encounter them. They had to pay a lot of money to venture into the bush! Way less exciting to head into Cleveland. The people who I know who own guns are very smart- and own very nice guns - and awesome technology protecting those guns. I had a great time skeet shooting recently on a friends estate (two barreled shotgun) - good fun! So yes, I can enjoy the martini of guns without feeling the need to bring a maltov into my kids home, if that's what you are going for.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mom3girls View Post
    What does that chart mean to you? To me it means that the largest % within a group is high school or less, but does that mean completely uneducated and illiterate?
    I guess high school graduates are classified as uneducated and illiterate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GloriaInTX View Post
    I guess high school graduates are classified as uneducated and illiterate.
    Forgive me if I'm confusing the debate- but isn't it you who says that all the "illegals" have the guns?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Potter75 View Post
    I would agree with (most) everything youve said (other than you tipyfying me based on my replies to Gloria or shining bright or whatever, who I view as very tremendously outrageous). I've freely admitted that most of the gun owners I know are super wealthy. They themselves skew the number. They are killing zebras and pronghorns- not hoodie wearers. Then again, they don't encounter them. They had to pay a lot of money to venture into the bush! Way less exciting to head into Cleveland. The people who I know who own guns are very smart- and own very nice guns - and awesome technology protecting those guns. I had a great time skeet shooting recently on a friends estate (two barreled shotgun) - good fun! So yes, I can enjoy the martini of guns without feeling the need to bring a maltov into my kids home, if that's what you are going for.
    Wow how hypocritical. If rich people own expensive guns and like to go shoot zebras or shoot skeet it is just a fun hobby, but if regular people own guns because they like to go hunt deer or shoot targets they are uneducated rednecks.
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    I've yet to see a skeet massacre. And the zebra are like deer here in pa, there hunting provides a huge source of income to the local people while maintaining a balance on the savana. No mass murders, though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Potter75 View Post
    I've yet to see a skeet massacre. And the zebra are like deer here in pa, there hunting provides a huge source of income to the local people while maintaining a balance on the savana. No mass murders, though.
    Well I guess we have solved the problem of how to determine if you are going to be a mass murderer or not, since rich people would never do that. Must be nice to live in such a civilized society of wealthy people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GloriaInTX View Post
    Well I guess we have solved the problem of how to determine if you are going to be a mass murderer or not, since rich people would never do that. Must be nice to live in such a civilized society of wealthy people.
    Nope, rich people do crazy things too.

    My point is that you are trying to infer that I think that all gun lovers are backwards rednecks or something, and that simply isn't true. I know gun owners who are wonderful, intelligent people. I do, however, think that people who are against tighter regulation of guns or who look at the problem of gun violence in this country and simply retort over and over again "2nd AMENDMENT!!!!" blindly and without consideration of the very real problem, ARE either uneducated or uncaring.
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    Okay, this debate is getting a little heated and personal in places. Lets all take a step back and try to refocus on the fact that we're all trying to come up with a solution to the problem of school/public shootings, we just have different opinions about what will be effective. We are all on the same side in that we all want to see these tragedies stop. Thanks!
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    I realize that I am extremely late to this thread, and I admit I've only skimmed it (37 pages?!? Wow!!). But has anyone mentioned keeping classroom doors locked as a security measure? It is our district's policy to keep classroom doors locked, but I admit this measure has only been enforced since the recent tragedy. I will say, it is a disruption to the educational process when visitors have to be let in (administrators have a key and are able to come in quietly). But I do keep my doors locked at home so it makes sense to keep my classroom doors locked as well.

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